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    #51
    If I remember right, there's a bolt in the frame, between the two front wheels. Loosen it, slide the toecap/front half of the boot to where you need it, and tighten the bolt back down.

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      #52
      Originally posted by al dolega View Post
      If I remember right, there's a bolt in the frame, between the two front wheels. Loosen it, slide the toecap/front half of the boot to where you need it, and tighten the bolt back down.
      Yes, this is exactly how you do it. I bought the same skates for my 8 year old cousin, and had to change the size for him about 3 months later because his foot had grown.

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        #53
        So has anyone had a good look at the new Fatty? Improvement on the previous model?

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          #54
          Originally posted by fast eddie View Post
          I'll give this a stab.

          Original Fatty Pro/Fatty/Backyard era:


          K2 Toe- when wearing K2 skates and hitting the toe cap really hard would usually bend the nail of your big toe and it would cut into the skin. Very painful and hard to skate for a few weeks until it healed.

          The K2 backslide plate was made of a rubber/plastic compound that made the skates famous for awesome backslides. Since not many people were doing torques of farvs, no one really knew how deadly these backslide plates were at the time. Backslides and royales = awesome. Farvs/torques = sticking and dying.

          The souls were narrow (but lasted for a long time) and if you had grind plates on, negatives were very scary unless you were a little topside on them.

          The cuff rivets would sometimes sheer off over time, especially if you did a lot of gaps. I used a bunch of zip ties to rig it back together when it happened to me. The rivets were not replaceable.

          The buckles on the Fatty Pros were better than on the Backyards and Fatties, as the latter would sometimes get bent and stay open if you hit the buckle receptor on an obstacle.

          The H-block was replaceable, and the grind plates helped it keep its shape a little longer.

          The frames were, believe it or not, pretty durable. My Backyards last almost 2 years, and all I skated were ledges and rails. The 6mm axles were junk, I'd break them all the time. So glad everyone moved onto 8mm.

          I progressed a lot with the Backyards. They skated very well.


          The King 55/Style Point Bob era:


          The backslide plates were pretty much the same as the previous era. Maybe a little less rubbery, but not much.

          The toe cap was removable, which a lot of people did despite the infamous "K2 Toe".

          This was the first Teflon injection method they used for the souls. The slid a lot faster than previous eras.

          The buckles were very sturdy and solid. After sliding out a lot, over time the metal edges would become very sharp. Unless you maintained that aspect, unexpected cuts would appear all over your hands or whatever else brushed up against the buckles.

          Cuff rivets were replaced with replaceable cotter pin attachments that would rattle loose and the pin would fall out all the time. I spent a lot of time looking for those stupid pins!

          The Style Points were the lower end skates, but I preferred them to the King 55s. They were super stable and supportive.

          The King 55s had the first ever internal cuff. Despite some people liking this, I thought that the cuffs warped way too fast for being such expensive skates. I really disliked the functionality of the King 55s, even though they were gorgeous skates.


          The Bing Air and Backyard Bob era:


          Pretty much just aesthetically updated the Backyards with new colors and names. Very little changes other than making the souls a bit more level and not as curvaceous as the original Backyards.

          Cotter pins for cuff attachment.

          Thicker H-Blocks, still replaceable.

          I never skated these, was still riding my Style Points.


          The 250cc/125cc/Mini 80 era:


          The backslide plate was updated to a newer and not so rubbery compound that allowed for slightly better torques/farvs. This time, the backslide plate and toe cap were all one piece.

          Cotter pins for the cuffs, again.

          I am pretty sure the Mini 80s were the first aggressive skates for kids that were adjustable.

          The instep strap kept your foot snugly in place, but still allowed for comfortable forward flexibility.

          Teflon injected frames slid very fast but they didn't seem to last as long as the King 55/Style Points.

          These skates were the first K2s where everything was supposed to be replaceable, even the souls. It even looks like they were toying around with the thought of UFS, but that would wait for a while longer.

          I'm on my second set of yellow and black 250ccs. The first set skated very well, the second set I have converted to UFS.


          The Natural/Enemy/Mini Enemy era:


          The Naturals were basically the same as the 250ccs, just aesthetically different and with no in-step strap.

          They moved away from the cotter pin bullshit and went to regular cuff bolts that were replaceable.

          The Enemy skates...god awful. I shall not speak of them here.

          I never skated any of these skates, I held out until the Nemesis style boots came out.


          The Nemesis/Schrijn/Transfer/Lennen/Weis/Yasutoko era:


          Everything is replaceable. First UFS K2 skates. That option was pretty late in the UFS game, but it allowed some people who wouldn't skate non-UFS skates a chance to pick up some of these bad mamma-jammas.

          New frames with laminated graphics, a first in the industry. Also the last, as the graphics sucked.

          Completely new cuff and buckle system, borrowed designs from their snowboard boots. Tons of support. These skates were bulky as hell, but ankle injuries were the last thing on your mind when skating these.

          The most comfortable skates ever made, some would argue. They were like pillows on your feet.

          Aircraft carrier-wide soul plates, with negatives bigger than the souls on some skates. Great for cess slides, farvs and torques.

          Replaceable souls meant that the skates could last a very long time if maintained properly.

          These were all-around skates that you could use for vert, street and park.


          The 2008 Fatty Pro/Fatty era:


          Back to old school with very few replaceable parts. It seems like K2 stopped trying to compete at this point. Lots of downgrades: some came with non-replaceable cuff rivets, none came with sturdy buckles that stay closed 90% of the time. Hit the receptors once or twice, and they'll stay open all the time. Keep some needle nosed pliers around to fix the buckles at just about every session.

          The Fatty Pro has a useless instep strap that is no where near wide enough to offer any real support. This causes heel lift. Not cool.

          The toe cap is not easily removable, and can actually render the skates useless if you try to pry it off. The boot will quickly separate from the souls.

          Using 2 foot pads is the best bet. I bruised my heels when I switched the frames. Weird.

          These skates are cheap for a reason. The stock frames are super durable, but really hard to get a groove in without the aid of a disc grinder. They still use 6mm hardware, which is retarded for this day and age.

          Overall, the skates were disappointing. Good for beginner, bad of people who have been skating for a long time and appreciate quality products.


          The Varsity era:


          for a detailed review with tons of photos of the skates disassembled, go to issue #6 of Balance rolling magazine: www.balancerollingmag.com
          That was great!

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            #55
            Thanks

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              #56
              Originally posted by chris k View Post
              So has anyone had a good look at the new Fatty? Improvement on the previous model?


              This. want to knooow.

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                #57
                I want to know why they don't just bring back the nemesis skates (and maybe even improve them a bit)?
                Wouldn't it be a lot better if they took the time and money spent on those new fatty's and putted all effort in reincarnating the nemesis skates?

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by zale View Post
                  I want to know why they don't just bring back the nemesis skates (and maybe even improve them a bit)?
                  Wouldn't it be a lot better if they took the time and money spent on those new fatty's and putted all effort in reincarnating the nemesis skates?
                  This whole thread has been a "WHY U NO" cartoon. Nobody knows, and we're frustrated.
                  Remember: "It is better to keep your [hands still] and appear stupid than to [respond] and remove all doubt."

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by zale View Post
                    I want to know why they don't just bring back the nemesis skates (and maybe even improve them a bit)?
                    Wouldn't it be a lot better if they took the time and money spent on those new fatty's and putted all effort in reincarnating the nemesis skates?
                    Even though they were comfy, they are too bulky.

                    Reincarnate the King 55's internal cuff structure, but with carbon fiber that extends all the way under your foot from heel to toe , to eliminate the need for the cupped plastic heel that you'd normally affix the K2 cuff to and make the bottom more rigid to reduce lateral flex. Keep the bottom as flat as possible. Then you can put on redesigned K2 soul plates, or any other souls that aren't crazily contoured, unless you like to modify stuff like that.

                    Then make the soft boot look similar to the 250ccs with good color variations as well as an all white boot so you can color it in any way you'd like.

                    It would be a serious competitor to the Carbon line and Valo lights, but it would be expensive. Maybe even more than the other carbon skates, for the first run at least. Maybe not, if they'd stop producing their current frames and release them boot only at first.




                    A boy can dream, can't he?
                    Last edited by fast eddie; 02.03.2011, 22:34.

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                      #60
                      ^Have you ever considered getting in touch with K2 and suggesting them your ideas and why would those ideas pay off?

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                        #61
                        I don't claim all of what I posted before as solely my ideas. Some are, some aren't. And yes, I've been in contact with Mike Powell a lot over the last year or so. K2 has been getting suggestions on improvements from Al Dolega and jakeordie for years. I'm pretty new to hassling Mike about stuff, and I try not to bother him, he's a busy guy.

                        I know for a fact, though, that K2 is watching what other leaders in our industry are doing and throwing ideas around. Convincing the higher-ups to invest in new molds is the problem. They make plenty of good money on skis and snowboards, and I'd really like to see them siphon some to rollerblading. They really could swoop back in and dominate the shit out of the market if they took the chance.

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                          #62
                          I'm getting all... sentimental.
                          Remember: "It is better to keep your [hands still] and appear stupid than to [respond] and remove all doubt."

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                            #63
                            what me really need fpr the K2 Skates is a new replaceable Soulplate like the Varsity but with a better shape...
                            the shape of the Varsity soulplate are so bad. the material are perfect but the outside shale and the groove are big shit ... sorry

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                              #64
                              just copy carbon souls ...

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                                #65
                                but please with the shape of the Xsjado Plates wide groove... and the same material like the K2 Varsity soulplate NOW, that will be the perfect skate

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                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by fast eddie View Post
                                  Even though they were comfy, they are too bulky.

                                  Reincarnate the King 55's internal cuff structure, but with carbon fiber that extends all the way under your foot from heel to toe , to eliminate the need for the cupped plastic heel that you'd normally affix the K2 cuff to and make the bottom more rigid to reduce lateral flex. Keep the bottom as flat as possible. Then you can put on redesigned K2 soul plates, or any other souls that aren't crazily contoured, unless you like to modify stuff like that.

                                  Then make the soft boot look similar to the 250ccs with good color variations as well as an all white boot so you can color it in any way you'd like.

                                  It would be a serious competitor to the Carbon line and Valo lights, but it would be expensive. Maybe even more than the other carbon skates, for the first run at least. Maybe not, if they'd stop producing their current frames and release them boot only at first.




                                  A boy can dream, can't he?
                                  Man I like your thinking.

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                                    #67

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                                      #68
                                      white frames = happy mess

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                                        #69
                                        just some tryout ... made from some Xsjaod plate... works so fucking perfect just littlebit slow ...

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                                          #70
                                          nice platform moon boots

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                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by B.Rose View Post
                                            just some tryout ... made from some Xsjaod plate... works so fucking perfect just littlebit slow ...

                                            Now you've got THREE sole plates piled one on top of the other. What a horrible idea! I'm sorry!
                                            Remember: "It is better to keep your [hands still] and appear stupid than to [respond] and remove all doubt."

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                                              #72
                                              Looking at all this info is honestly making me want some K2s.
                                              Not the shitty 08 fattys though. Lol.
                                              Anyone know where I can score some size 8.5s for cheap to try out?
                                              I've tried everything else, except soft boots, and K2 is the king of them. Help me out?
                                              Boston Blading Society: www.bostonbladingsociety.wordpress.com

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                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by Alex Coe View Post
                                                Now you've got THREE sole plates piled one on top of the other. What a horrible idea! I'm sorry!
                                                Nope, still two, but that Xsjado plate is fuggin' thick


                                                Here's mine until I straighten out my Fiziks situation:

                                                size 11 Varsity's
                                                large Kizer Fluid 3's
                                                58mm JC Rowe Eulogy's
                                                Mindgame Higgs Boson anti's w/ Vicious ABEC 5s
                                                Bones Swiss Super 6 bearings

                                                Last edited by fast eddie; 13.03.2011, 02:05.

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                                                  #74
                                                  the try out with the Xsjado Plate was funny, they works ok but they feels like the BS groove is not on the side of your feet they are UNTER you feet and not really close hahaha ... so big shit i hope new Shaped Soulplates coming soon... the Varsity soulplate are a great material, but the BS groove are not on the right posission and i hate the soulplate shape they are to small at the front of my foot ... and no shuffel area ... bad for switchups ...

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                                                    #75
                                                    eddie, what happened to the kaltik frames

                                                    www.flickr.com/photos/drewhumphrey

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                                                      #76
                                                      I didn't really like the Kaltik frames, the plastic seemed really soft. I skated for a little bit on a mini ramp, and a couple of gouges appeared in the center groove.

                                                      I traded them for some Fiziks that turned out to be really worn down, so I am waiting on some new frame walls from a friend so I can switch out the hardware.

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                                                        #77
                                                        the kaltik frame are a great idea, but yes its the truth they are really fast down ... but makes fun to skate them

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                                                          #78
                                                          the Kaltik frame are really cool, i like them so much, its true they are really fast down and the grindwalls in front of the wheels also... but dosend mather they makes so much more fun to skate flat again ... feels so great

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                                                            #79
                                                            I love the big wheel capacity! I really liked Slimlines, and everyone hates those, so maybe my opinion is invalid. But I skated the slimlines 56's rockered up and stuck just a little bit. I am skating 60's on these kaltiks and sticking only a little bit too. It feels good man!
                                                            Remember: "It is better to keep your [hands still] and appear stupid than to [respond] and remove all doubt."

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                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by B.Rose View Post
                                                              the Kaltik frame are really cool, i like them so much, its true they are really fast down and the grindwalls in front of the wheels also... but dosend mather they makes so much more fun to skate flat again ... feels so great
                                                              Money make your girl Wanita cum, ammirite?

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                                                                #81
                                                                New one ... so much more Comf. and so sick ....

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                                                                  #82
                                                                  Fuck, I want them

                                                                  Last edited by fast eddie; 16.03.2011, 21:12.

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                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by B.Rose View Post
                                                                    New one ... so much more Comf. and so sick ....

                                                                    Are those carbon soles? That work well?
                                                                    Boston Blading Society: www.bostonbladingsociety.wordpress.com

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                                                                      #84
                                                                      Originally posted by bostonsk8er View Post
                                                                      Are those carbon soles? That work well?
                                                                      No, those are Varsity souls.

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                                                                        #85
                                                                        Originally posted by bostonsk8er View Post
                                                                        Are those carbon soles? That work well?
                                                                        thats my new IL CARPO with some Varsity Soulplate, but i skate em with some Carbon soulplate in Black and White Kaltik frame
                                                                        i will post some Pictures and edit in the next week to show how the carbo plate fits perfect like the original Carbon and i can tell you IL Capo 2011 are so much more Comfor. as the Varsity and they more lightwight as a Carbon i love this fucking skate

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                                                                          #86


                                                                          thats a picture how the Carbon soulplate fits if you shave the carbon soulplate but next time i cut the boot becouse boot cuting is just one time ... if you cut the Soulplate you should do it every time when you need some new plates ..... more pictures coming soon

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                                                                            #87
                                                                            varsity souls look better, but they are sick none the less.

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                                                                              #88
                                                                              do you work for K2?

                                                                              I find it funny that one person can outdo an in house reasearch and design team when it comes to making skares....

                                                                              Those look better than any K2s Ive seen..

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                                                                                #89
                                                                                Originally posted by *ROYALwithCHEESE* View Post
                                                                                do you work for K2?

                                                                                I find it funny that one person can outdo an in house reasearch and design team when it comes to making skares....

                                                                                Those look better than any K2s Ive seen..
                                                                                No, he does not work for K2. He's just some German guy who has money to burn on any new skates that drop. All he did was get some new Il Capo's, which are available in Germany first for some reason, and put some Varsity soul plates on them.

                                                                                I'm trying to get information from Mike Powell as to when the new Il Capo's will be available in the US, and also when Varsity soul plates will be available as a separate purchase from the Varsity skates.

                                                                                These are sick looking:



                                                                                These make me sick and want to puke:





                                                                                The Carbon soul plate looks much worse on K2 skates that have an attached soul forward of the arch of your foot. Plain and simple. Adding ugly green frames to a black, yellow and white setup is vomitous.


                                                                                Please, more pictures of the setup with Varsity soul plates and white frames FROM THE SIDE.

                                                                                B. Rose, weren't you the guy on Skate Setup.com that wanted to see more pictures of these in detail?





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                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  I wish the varsity soleplates were available for purchase!
                                                                                  I would so do that mod!
                                                                                  I'd have to dremel proper backslides in, but those are SICK!
                                                                                  Boston Blading Society: www.bostonbladingsociety.wordpress.com

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                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    fast eddie, your pics of the carbon souls with forefoot soul plate trimmed don't look good either.
                                                                                    the il capo proves yet again that you can't go wrong with a crisp black and white skate.

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                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      Originally posted by jomu View Post
                                                                                      fast eddie, your pics of the carbon souls with forefoot soul plate trimmed don't look good either.
                                                                                      the il capo proves yet again that you can't go wrong with a crisp black and white skate.

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                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        i get my Skates Direkt from K2, but i still love them also the Ski´s .... IL Capo coming out soon in germany and K2 come back

                                                                                        i working an my IL capo now, i try to made some Carbon soulplate perfect on em in Black with White Kaltik and White Laces ... Edits and Pictures will be um in maybe two weeks i am in the Hospital next week

                                                                                        Last edited by B.Rose; 17.03.2011, 19:19.

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                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          Um, I'm more interested in PHOTOS of the skates with the Varsity soul plates on them, please. An edit is not necessary.

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                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            ok i will post some in some min no problem

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                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Vielen Dank.

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                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                here some Pictures








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                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  Thank you very, very much. I think I will order them once they are available. Do you know what German shops will have them when they are released? I know I'll have to order them from Europe, the U.S. won't get them for a long time

                                                                                                  Also, are the Varsity souls also size 10, like the Il Capo's?
                                                                                                  Last edited by fast eddie; 17.03.2011, 20:38.

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                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    i dont know it exact. i thin around the Mai maybe little bit earlier... and Soulplates, hmmm i hope the new shaped coming soon also in other colors ....

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                                                                                                      Ich hörte 2 Wochen für eine andere Charge des gleichen weißen Seelen, aber nichts über ein Design oder neuen Farben. Was haben Sie gehört, oder bist du nur raten?

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