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    Differences between K2 skates

    Hi, I want to know what are the FUNCTIONAL differences between the K2 skates trough the years, not the cosmetic.

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    #2
    The older K2's weren't gaudy red and didn't have varsity sock shit on them. I hope that helped

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      #3
      I'll give this a stab.

      Original Fatty Pro/Fatty/Backyard era:


      K2 Toe- when wearing K2 skates and hitting the toe cap really hard would usually bend the nail of your big toe and it would cut into the skin. Very painful and hard to skate for a few weeks until it healed.

      The K2 backslide plate was made of a rubber/plastic compound that made the skates famous for awesome backslides. Since not many people were doing torques of farvs, no one really knew how deadly these backslide plates were at the time. Backslides and royales = awesome. Farvs/torques = sticking and dying.

      The souls were narrow (but lasted for a long time) and if you had grind plates on, negatives were very scary unless you were a little topside on them.

      The cuff rivets would sometimes sheer off over time, especially if you did a lot of gaps. I used a bunch of zip ties to rig it back together when it happened to me. The rivets were not replaceable.

      The buckles on the Fatty Pros were better than on the Backyards and Fatties, as the latter would sometimes get bent and stay open if you hit the buckle receptor on an obstacle.

      The H-block was replaceable, and the grind plates helped it keep its shape a little longer.

      The frames were, believe it or not, pretty durable. My Backyards last almost 2 years, and all I skated were ledges and rails. The 6mm axles were junk, I'd break them all the time. So glad everyone moved onto 8mm.

      I progressed a lot with the Backyards. They skated very well.


      The King 55/Style Point Bob era:


      The backslide plates were pretty much the same as the previous era. Maybe a little less rubbery, but not much.

      The toe cap was removable, which a lot of people did despite the infamous "K2 Toe".

      This was the first Teflon injection method they used for the souls. The slid a lot faster than previous eras.

      The buckles were very sturdy and solid. After sliding out a lot, over time the metal edges would become very sharp. Unless you maintained that aspect, unexpected cuts would appear all over your hands or whatever else brushed up against the buckles.

      Cuff rivets were replaced with replaceable cotter pin attachments that would rattle loose and the pin would fall out all the time. I spent a lot of time looking for those stupid pins!

      The Style Points were the lower end skates, but I preferred them to the King 55s. They were super stable and supportive.

      The King 55s had the first ever internal cuff. Despite some people liking this, I thought that the cuffs warped way too fast for being such expensive skates. I really disliked the functionality of the King 55s, even though they were gorgeous skates.


      The Bing Air and Backyard Bob era:


      Pretty much just aesthetically updated the Backyards with new colors and names. Very little changes other than making the souls a bit more level and not as curvaceous as the original Backyards.

      Cotter pins for cuff attachment.

      Thicker H-Blocks, still replaceable.

      I never skated these, was still riding my Style Points.


      The 250cc/125cc/Mini 80 era:


      On the 250ccs, the backslide plate was updated to a newer and not so rubbery compound that allowed for slightly better torques/farvs. This time, the backslide plate and toe cap were all one piece.

      Cotter pins for the cuffs, again.

      I am pretty sure the Mini 80s were the first aggressive skates for kids that were adjustable.

      The instep strap kept your foot snugly in place, but still allowed for comfortable forward flexibility.

      Teflon injected frames slid very fast but they didn't seem to last as long as the King 55/Style Points.

      These skates were the first K2s where everything was supposed to be replaceable, even the souls. It even looks like they were toying around with the thought of UFS, but that would wait for a while longer.

      I'm on my second set of yellow and black 250ccs. The first set skated very well, the second set I have converted to UFS.

      For the 125ccs, they were slightly redesigned Backyard Bobs, and really share none of the features of the 250ccs.

      The Natural/Enemy/Mini Enemy era:



      The Naturals were basically the same as the 250ccs, just aesthetically different and with no in-step strap.

      They moved away from the cotter pin bullshit and went to regular cuff bolts that were replaceable.

      The Enemy skates...god awful. I shall not speak of them here.

      I never skated any of these skates, I held out until the Nemesis style boots came out.


      The Nemesis/Schrijn/Transfer/Lennen/Weis/Yasutoko era:


      Everything is replaceable. First UFS K2 skates. That option was pretty late in the UFS game, but it allowed some people who wouldn't skate non-UFS skates a chance to pick up some of these bad mamma-jammas.

      New frames with laminated graphics, a first in the industry. Also the last, as the graphics sucked.

      Completely new cuff and buckle system, borrowed designs from their snowboard boots. Tons of support. These skates were bulky as hell, but ankle injuries were the last thing on your mind when skating these.

      The most comfortable skates ever made, some would argue. They were like pillows on your feet.

      Aircraft carrier-wide soul plates, with negatives bigger than the souls on some skates. Great for cess slides, farvs and torques.

      Replaceable souls meant that the skates could last a very long time if maintained properly.

      These were all-around skates that you could use for vert, street and park.


      The 2008 Fatty Pro/Fatty era:


      Back to old school with very few replaceable parts. It seems like K2 stopped trying to compete at this point. Lots of downgrades: some came with non-replaceable cuff rivets, none came with sturdy buckles that stay closed 90% of the time. Hit the receptors once or twice, and they'll stay open all the time. Keep some needle nosed pliers around to fix the buckles at just about every session.

      The Fatty Pro has a useless instep strap that is no where near wide enough to offer any real support. This causes heel lift. Not cool.

      The toe cap is not easily removable, and can actually render the skates useless if you try to pry it off. The boot will quickly separate from the souls.

      Using 2 foot pads is the best bet. I bruised my heels when I switched the frames. Weird.

      These skates are cheap for a reason. The stock frames are super durable, but really hard to get a groove in without the aid of a disc grinder. They still use 6mm hardware, which is retarded for this day and age.

      Overall, the skates were disappointing. Good for beginner, bad of people who have been skating for a long time and appreciate quality products.


      The Varsity era:


      for a detailed review with tons of photos of the skates disassembled, go to issue #6 of Balance rolling magazine: www.balancerollingmag.com
      Last edited by fast eddie; 14.09.2011, 21:42.

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        #4
        no replies? shit, that post took me 2 hours

        i'd like to hear any contradictions or improvements, I do not think that I am any kind of authority on the technical aspects. it's just that i've only skated K2s for 13 years.

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          #5
          never owned a pair, but skated fattys once like 12 years ago, and i remember them being the lightest skates ever.

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            #6


            Would be nice if K2 kept making this.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Ross A Buniao View Post


              Would be nice if K2 kept making this.
              those and these

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                #8
                Originally posted by Ross A Buniao View Post


                Would be nice if K2 kept making this.
                Those were the best looking Nemesis-style K2's. I wish k2 had released them.

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                  #9
                  Thanks a lot, fast eddie!

                  So overall, the best ones are The Natural ?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by salomonskater View Post
                    Thanks a lot, fast eddie!

                    So overall, the best ones are The Natural ?
                    The naturals that I had had the cotton pin cuff thing. Bullshit!

                    I am a fan of the power strap. I did get varsities for free but the power strap has a much better quality than the previous ones, and get your feet nice and snugged in the boot. Though it doesn't look a "cool", and it's not that hard to remove.

                    I don't really consider the soul system to be a band-aid. So far the only people who hate on them are people who have not skated it. It does have a classic k2 backslide "feel". it's a very comforting feeling going to rails on the royal. The soul system is really light, and carved in to fit snugly to the existing boot. I do not know the type of material used for the plastics, but I do not have a problem with it being slow. I hate slow soul plates.

                    But I didn't pay for the skates. They are one of the cheapest on the markets right now, and Louie Zamora is on k2 working on new designs now cosmetically, and functionally.

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                      #11
                      ^^^^ best news in the world

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                        #12
                        I would like to know how does the cuff feels on the different models, in terms of forward flexibility mostly?

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                          #13
                          Not to over generalize, but out of the box, all models except for the Nemesis style skates and the King 55s, they basically had the same cuff and had good forward flex.

                          With the Nemesis, you had to remove a piece of plastic that connected to the back of the cuff and attached above your heel like an Achilles tendon. It did not allow for good forward flex.

                          I'm sure they made changes to the plastic formula, but I haven't had any problems with cuffs breaking.
                          Last edited by fast eddie; 17.04.2010, 03:15.

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                            #14
                            Are the King 55 completely or very stiff in the cuff area?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by salomonskater View Post
                              Are the King 55 completely or very stiff in the cuff area?
                              The K55 were so nice at first, but 2 months of sweaty feet would cause them to get real floppy. I did ride 2 piece USD souls for a while and they felt just like 2-3gen deshi.

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                                #16
                                Impressive Fast Eddie!

                                Love my Nemesis! Still coolest looking skates. But the size 7s looked as big as 9s.

                                Weisses are insanely gorgeous. Very limited release right?
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by justinthursday View Post
                                  Impressive Fast Eddie!

                                  Love my Nemesis! Still coolest looking skates. But the size 7s looked as big as 9s.

                                  Weisses are insanely gorgeous. Very limited release right?
                                  how about never released.

                                  they were shipped out to a few people to test. that was it. ben got kicked off the team for being a douche

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                                    #18
                                    Right, that's kinda what I meant. I knew there were a lot of test models but not an actual "release".
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                                      #19
                                      some guy came on be-mag a few years back, maybe 2007 and he had some mint ben weis skates he was trying to sell for $200. he showed pictures and the skates were brand new. i was broke at the time, but i offered $100. he wouldn't take it. i would snatch them up in a heartbeat, now though. i has moniez.

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                                        #20
                                        those were my buddys Ben W skates he had for sale. he busted his knee and had surgery so he sold off his skates. i wish i had got them but they were a size to big for me. Those are my dream skates though Very good post eddie better than i would of done

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by salomonskater View Post
                                          So overall, the best ones are The Natural ?


                                          Might set these up with new aluminum h-blocks and Hulgreens for ultimate park steeze.

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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by jakeordie View Post


                                            Might set these up with new aluminum h-blocks and Hulgreens for ultimate park steeze.

                                            Did you remove the backslide plates and instep straps because you're not planning on doing any royales, farves, torques or backslides?

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                                              #23
                                              Never had trouble doing royales & backslides setup like this.

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by jakeordie View Post
                                                Never had trouble doing royales & backslides setup like this.
                                                mind-boggling. edit please? I'd really like to see you skate them.

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                                                  #25
                                                  It seems like I prefer my skates tighter and stiffer than most anyone else, but I remember, even when I was quite a bit younger, that the Nemesis skates were super floppy, with too much flex in every direction.
                                                  Remember: "It is better to keep your [hands still] and appear stupid than to [respond] and remove all doubt."

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                                                    #26
                                                    And let me ask, did any of the models have the frame centered under the foot? I don't remember them being centered.
                                                    Remember: "It is better to keep your [hands still] and appear stupid than to [respond] and remove all doubt."

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                                                      #27
                                                      Annnnndd....

                                                      They should make aggressive skates like these! They look awesome to me, and the description says good cuff support. I think a guy in another thread said they were going to... could I put some soles on em?

                                                      http://cgi.ebay.com/K2-Il-Capo-Commi...#ht_2370wt_818
                                                      Remember: "It is better to keep your [hands still] and appear stupid than to [respond] and remove all doubt."

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                                                        #28
                                                        Killgore had a pair of those set up as aggressive skates a year or two ago. They're basically the UFS Fatty with a lower toecap, no BSP, velcro strap instead of buckle, and of course the softboot looks different. All you'd really have to do to aggressive-skate them would be to throw on some "normal" frames.

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                                                          #29
                                                          i never really have been sentimental about old skate gear, but thinking back... these were my first skates!



                                                          i haz genuine nostalgia! i must be getting old

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                                                            #30
                                                            k2 had some of the greatest names for skates

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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Alex Coe View Post
                                                              And let me ask, did any of the models have the frame centered under the foot? I don't remember them being centered.

                                                              I don't remember if some of the older models were centered. But for the most part, yes.

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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by kevronsfeet View Post
                                                                  Damn, they are nice. if k2 produced them i'd give them a shot. I wish they would sort out the aesthetics of the new soul though.

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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by kevronsfeet View Post
                                                                    Is this... crbanz-fiber cuff?

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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Yeah, that picture illustrates why they should just mold the cuff tabs into the new sole and lose the old one.

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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by jakeordie View Post
                                                                        Yeah, that picture illustrates why they should just mold the cuff tabs into the new sole and lose the old one.
                                                                        i totally agree

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                                                                          #37
                                                                          K2 the original carbon/legacy skate. i remember the backyard bobs were so dreamy.

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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Did you destroy your Varsity's to do that? Or just chop the frames off the 250ccs and Dremel the souls to fit into the Varsity plates?

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                                                                              #39
                                                                              I bought a used pair of varsity that some kid wrecked the boots trying to dye them son
                                                                              I kept the soulplate and baseplate. The 250cc just unbolted so they are not wrecked

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                                                                                #40
                                                                                how hard was it to get the Varsity's out of the permanent souls? Did it fuck them up? Have you skated those 250ccs like that yet? Can we get a picture with the boot pulled up a little from the Varsity plate?

                                                                                i am really curious about this. The way I have my 250ccs set up with the Carbon plates looks more like a Xsjado/K2 hybrid, because the heel of the 250ccs are attached to the Carbon soul plate with t-nuts, and the 250cc boots just slip right in.

                                                                                Originally posted by jakeordie View Post
                                                                                Yeah, that picture illustrates why they should just mold the cuff tabs into the new sole and lose the old one.
                                                                                I'm going to do this in Illustrator and see what it looks like, then I am going to vectorize the 250cc boots with new color schemes and put it all together.



                                                                                **edit** I'm working on it now and these are looking fucking amazing! hahahahaha
                                                                                Last edited by fast eddie; 20.01.2011, 18:58.

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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  i just don't understand why they don't put in that extra effort and release spare parts. I really want to try out a pair.

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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Very excited for this!
                                                                                    Remember: "It is better to keep your [hands still] and appear stupid than to [respond] and remove all doubt."

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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      jake apply for a job at k2

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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        I got those Il Capo dongs. They fit like a glove, but if I remember right, the 8.5 is another shell size up from the 8, or no?

                                                                                        All I need now is a backslide plate
                                                                                        Remember: "It is better to keep your [hands still] and appear stupid than to [respond] and remove all doubt."

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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Mahmoud Jalloh View Post
                                                                                          jake apply for a job at k2
                                                                                          Have done so on several occasions.....the reason they won't hire me is the same reason they need to.

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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            These fit great! Best fitting skates I've ever had! This is what I wanted carbons to feel like. Maybe if these work out I'll get some fatty's for grinding.



                                                                                            Thinking it over... maybe I should just get some fatty's? Same feel or no? Any drawbacks? I don't really need these fresskate frames. Are the 8's and 8.5's pretty much the same?
                                                                                            Last edited by Alex Coe; 21.01.2011, 03:00.
                                                                                            Remember: "It is better to keep your [hands still] and appear stupid than to [respond] and remove all doubt."

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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by jakeordie View Post
                                                                                              Have done so on several occasions.....the reason they won't hire me is the same reason they need to.
                                                                                              No money.

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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                No idea of what needs to be done.

                                                                                                At the time I would've given 'em all I got for minimum wage.

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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  this is just a taste. give me some other colors to mess with, please. everything is !00% vector except for the wheels.



                                                                                                  Last edited by fast eddie; 21.01.2011, 03:50.

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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    I just came across this thread surfing the web. I bought my son a set of used K2 80 mini skates as his first set of skates. Inside the tongue, the size says 4-6. So I'm guessing they are adjustable, I just cant seem to figure out how to adjust them.
                                                                                                    Anybody know. I can't find any documentation about them either.

                                                                                                    THanks,
                                                                                                    Nick

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