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    I just wanted to take a look at THEM today and ended up buying a pair. Not because I was super excited or needed skates. It was more because of curiosity and my never ending search for a perfect fitting skate that works and doesn't hurt my feet in any way. I had a brief session today, have tried different setups that may be of interest to some and I can compare them to a few popular skates that I've been skating recently.

    Relevant information about me:
    - My feet are about 277mm long. They are very even (maybe 1mm difference). They are slim but high (don't know how to describe it. I get a lot of pressure ontop of my feet)
    - I skate a 10 (43) in Valos, a 9 (42) in shifts, a 10 (43) in Aeons, a 10 (43) in Sebas. I'm inbetween shell sizes with most skates.
    - I got the black M shell.
    - I'm pretty tall (almost 6''3). Not super heavy but it does have an effect on how good souls slide and how awkward I look.
    - I'm skating anti. Mostly Creates size L with hard wheels (Dead 92s).

    What I liked:
    - The part on top of your foot (the lacing and everything involving it) is great. As the plastic is soft the way you lace the boot changes the width of the skate and there is no uncomfortable pressure from the top as I get in a lot of skates. The topmost laceholes act like an ankle strap.
    - The shell feels more solid than V13 in regards to the hardware. In Valos I kind of "feel" that the boot is made out of different parts that are connected. THEMs feel more solid but not as solid as Shifts.
    - The cuffs have a nice height. Higher than Valos but lower than Shifts.
    - The souls slide good but they are new. Even the V13 souls slide good when they are new. I am skating unwaxed ledges on my local skatepark a lot and the only soulplates that work in every situation were Valo souls (not M12/V13) and Symmetrics. I will see how the THEMs break in but so far it feels nice.
    - The hardware is good. The UFS screws are better than every screw that was included in any skate that I had. The soulplate screws are way better than the screws Roces uses.

    What I didn't like:
    - The boot is not high quality. Many people seem to be "impressed" by the quality. It's ok but you can see and feel that it's a low budget skate. Neither the materials nor the construction is of anything that would qualify as high quality by non blading standards. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't work or is wrong in any way! JJ paid attention to the important details like the hardware and how all the parts fit.
    - The liner is the part were you can feel the low budget the most. It's not bad but it's as basic as it gets. The insole that came in the liner doesn't even qualify as an insole.
    - I'm on the fence about the souls. The last souls I've been skating were the V13 souls, the Valo souls and for the past few months the Shift souls. I didn't have any problems with slimmer souls but I kind of got used to the Shifts. Maybe my impression changes but the souls being slimmer at the back felt awkward and the grooves weren't relevant. What suprised me is that I could feel the "lock" on V13 souls better than on THEM souls. I know that they have to be broken in but I think that's something worth mentioning as "make your own groove" is not the best excuse. As I said my impression may change and I need more time.
    - The height as in the distance between the feet and the ground is more than with Shifts and even Valos. I didn't measure it but it seemed that way when skating and locking topsides.
    - The laces are as shitty as they could be.

    Things that I noticed or that surprised me:
    - The Intuitions v2 M don't work as well as I expected them to. I changed a lot: different shockabsorbers, superfeet yellow insoles, adapt stealth insoles, no insoles, no shocks, black cuff, no cuff. It never felt right. The liner felt disconnected to the boot and I had too much space in the toe are that I hate. As I said I got slim feet and that's probably a versy subjective point. But what I didn't expect was how well the THEM liners work with be boot. Yes the liners are cheap and yes the toe are doesn't stretch but you can tell that they are made for this boot. And that's a good thing! I will keep experimenting because I want the Intuitions to work but I won't be too sad if they don't.
    - The boot in length fits exactly like the size 9 shifts. The plastic insole inserts that go under the liner of both boots are almost the same length. Those from the Shifts are about 1-2 mm longer. If you're on the upper side of the Razors 9 shells THEM size M is the way to go.
    - I'm skating L Creates. I sometimes switch to M FLT3s but I like the sturdyness of the Creates and I like longer frames. Maybe because I'm tall. I have no idea why. Just a few days ago I was skating bowl with my Valos (the Shifts hurt my feet and I have to change for a session once in a while so it can heal). I've been skating bowls and transitions with my shifts before that. And the length of the frames wsa no issue. It felt as maneuverable as ever (I do skate 110mms triskates a lot). But on THEMs they felt like skis. I didn't feel agile, I didn't like carving. So I'm gonna switch to the FLTs for the next session.
    - Royales felt good. Farvs didn't. I do BS Farvs a lot and normally it's the other way around. Dnno why. Doesn't bother me.

    I don't know yet if I'll stay with the THEMs, go back to Shifts or set my Valos up again. But all in all THEMs are a skate with minor flaws but a great package and even greater deal. You can tell that everything that Julio added to the old Bauer boot is very well thought and improves the boot a lot. Now we have three different choices in low budget but proven skates: Cults, M12s and THEMs. After skating THEMs I can say that they will most definitely stay.

    #2
    I've had a few good sessions in my Thams now and for the most part I'm happy with tham. The cuffs I immediately disliked visually I had to swap out after two sessions--V13 cuffs fit just fine and seem to cut down on the forward flex a little, maybe because they're a little wider around the base and a little lower overall... I'm not sure. I just realized that no matter how fucking hard I pushed the buckles into the ratchets they were never tight enough. A longer buckle would help. I would love to see how the boot behaves with a more rigid plastic. The souls seem to be about average speed and the groove is causing me to readjust my back royales.

    The boot, however, fits my foot like a glove. I've been skating US9 M12s for many a year and they never quite fit my feet correctly. Length-wise they are great but the narrowness killed me and I was having to physically alter every new set of boots I got. The size small 908s actually fit my foot better than an US8.5 Salo which, up till this point, has been the boot to give me the least amount of pain. The small liner was definitely just a hair too small and the stitching was causing some pain so I had to cut a bit of material away. If they were to in the future release a few different size liners per shell they would be a great fit for me right off the bat.

    Another qualm arises from the soulplate hardware. The t-nuts are small, round little fuckers with not much to grab onto with pliers should they start spinning in the boot. I had to deal with that twice when taking the plates off and putting them on again. I definitely get irrationally mad when having to switch soulplates on V13s because every time there is one set of t-nuts/screws that does not want to come out and requires some blaspheming and these don't seem to have made any headway in that department other than having a larger allen key size on the heads (same size as frame and axle bolts).

    Overall, I'm not confident in the integrity of the plastic long term but the shell fits great for a slightly wider foot and the souls seem reliable. They may allow me to relearn a few tricks I had lost when I started skating the V13 soul again (AO top souls, 270 back unity, etc) and they're strangely light and solid feeling at the same time. The forward flex is definitely something that can be improved upon whether that be through more rigid plastics or cuff design or liner. The backslide seems to favor frontside royales but I think I just skate weird and have been too used to M12s for too long. Time will tell whether or not these work for me but I'm optimistic at this point. I'm currently looking into Intuitions as a replacement liner.

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      #3
      I ordered some out of curiousity more than anything, just wanted to have a look at them and no-one else around here was getting any. They've not arrived yet but at the moment I'm really enjoying my v13's and they fit my feet perfect, so from what I've read the Them's may get sent back, or I might just keep them pristine in the box seen as they're kind of part of rollerblading history!

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        #4
        Originally posted by FiscHwaecg View Post
        everything that Julio added to the old Bauer boot .
        It's not the Bauer boot.

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          #5
          So, mine arrived yesterday, all black small. As I’ve said previously I’m really enjoying the V13’s at the moment so I wasn’t super excited to get them, more intrigued than anything. I was expecting them to be too small after seeing the Loco review and reading other things and I was right. If they had a stretchy toe they would be perfect but my toe is touching the end of the liner and it’s not giving at all. Apparently the liner can be adjusted a little to fit so we’ll see. Aside from being too small they did feel really comfortable, I’ve heard some people say the liner is shit quality but I thought it felt pretty good. I do have some V1 Intuitions so if I did decide to keep/skate them then that’d be an option. The skates themselves seem to be really good quality, they look nice ‘in the flesh’. Some pictures of them make them look a bit ugly but they’re really not. Only things I’d change are the liner, and only because it’s too small, and the laces, cause they’re like a thin piece of string! The other thing I would say is that I was expecting the souls to be bigger. Not an issue really but I thought they were gonna be more like the width of Valo 2 piece souls. They’re more like SSM souls than anything else. I don’t think I’m going to send them back, I’m also not going to skate them straight away, but I’m happy with the purchase. Anyone looking for a hard boot at a good price you now have these, V13’s/M12’s and Cults to choose from.

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            #6
            How is the width on them?

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              #7
              How is the width on them?

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                #8
                Width-wise, the size US8-9 Valo PU shell is way too narrow for me--Small Thems fit me perfectly.

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                  #9
                  I was def put off by them when I tried the mediums (I'm a size 10 slim foot and the meds felt too big on me) but I tried the smalls and they actually fit if I used diff liners. What is still keeping me very hesitant on a purchase is lack of certain important info from Jon Julio.
                  As far as I know we have had no announcements as far as replacement souls, cuffs, or anything for that matter. And as far as I can tell the "fans" of this brand are prepared to simply buy another boot when their plates are toast. I'm not a fan of that and I don't want that mentality spreading throughout our already niche industry.

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                    #10
                    Update although I've still not actually skated them or fully set them up, but, small boot with medium V1 Intuitions feels good, perfect fit pretty much. Will put some frames and wheels on and skate them this week.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by denialchild45 View Post
                      How is the width on them?
                      Size M are wider than 10/10.5 Solos and 10-11 Shifts. I'm a size 10.5-11 (usually 11) in most shoes.
                      Last edited by irollnj; 23.07.2018, 13:44.

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                        #12
                        Does anyone have photos of a medium THEM against a US10/UK9 Roces boot? Wanna know if they are longer in appearance or bulkier overall. Top-down view would be best! Actual measurements would be incredible.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by DanielBond View Post
                          Does anyone have photos of a medium THEM against a US10/UK9 Roces boot? Wanna know if they are longer in appearance or bulkier overall. Top-down view would be best! Actual measurements would be incredible.
                          You should message Robbie Pitts with this on Instagram, he's good at replying to messages especially about Them and I'm pretty sure he is those sizes in both skates so could maybe send photos if he still has his V13's.

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                            #14
                            They are definitely a shorter shell.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by DanielBond View Post
                              Does anyone have photos of a medium THEM against a US10/UK9 Roces boot? Wanna know if they are longer in appearance or bulkier overall. Top-down view would be best! Actual measurements would be incredible.
                              I'd love to see this too. That Roces boot always looked/felt a little too long for me.
                              Blading since 1994.

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                                #16
                                Anyone have the length of the size 10 Liner?

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                                  #17
                                  Still really enjoying the V13's and have 2 spare pairs, Them's won't work for me unless I use a different liner so I'm going to send them back. Also much prefer the look of V13's still. I'll have to support Jon by buying a tee or cap instead!

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                                    #18
                                    I found there is an extra hole in the buckle receptor that allows it to be moved forward a bit. I now feel like I can get the cuffs tight enough and I'm really enjoying the skate. Very light and responsive. Hoping replacement souls become available soonish.

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                                      #19
                                      So does any one know what the frame inlinement of them skates is like? Valo skates it’s really far inside toward the negative plate. And it causes my feet to bend outwards and so I can’t skate valos. Almost every other skate it seems to be directly in the middle.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Lashes2ashes View Post
                                        So does any one know what the frame inlinement of them skates is like? Valo skates it’s really far inside toward the negative plate. And it causes my feet to bend outwards and so I can’t skate valos. Almost every other skate it seems to be directly in the middle.
                                        Is it? I never noticed that. To me the frame alignment on Valos feels centered.

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by FiscHwaecg View Post

                                          Is it? I never noticed that. To me the frame alignment on Valos feels centered.
                                          I agree, but some Roces boots are floppy and even the stiff ones flop out after a time. Once the boot gets soft they always pronate easy.

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                                            #22
                                            The only other skate that I know of with this problem was Remz, but they fixed it with the whole true balance thing. Perhaps with how soft most valo cuffs were that’s why I have the problem but are there cuffs really that much softer than other skates. I have skated every brand but trigger and adapt, and all other skates seem fine to me. And for what it’s worth the cuffs are the black ones on valo lights.

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                                              #23
                                              Valos are the only skates I bailed with because they were bending to the outside. Happened only once and with stock liners after a year. But they sure are soft. You can easily fix that by buying the 200$ Intuitions and putting one of the velcro cuffs on.

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by FiscHwaecg View Post
                                                You can easily fix that by buying the 200$ Intuitions and putting one of the velcro cuffs on.
                                                If shelling out 200+ shipping for liners is an easy fix then I'd probably just suggest getting diff blades. Sebas are pretty dope for those that live in that special "You can easily fix that by buying the 200$ Intuitions" reality.

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                                                  #25
                                                  I feel like Remz liners could be a good option too.

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                                                    #26
                                                    I feel like Remz liners could be a good option too.

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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by joshdamnit View Post

                                                      If shelling out 200+ shipping for liners is an easy fix then I'd probably just suggest getting diff blades. Sebas are pretty dope for those that live in that special "You can easily fix that by buying the 200$ Intuitions" reality.
                                                      You're right. Intuitions work well in Sebas too! Just cut the old liners out.

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                                                        #28
                                                        I don't know much about plastic molding, but I saw a a video where it looked like the Roces boot is formed by vacuum forming or something similar - the plastic basically formed around a foot shaped mold and then peeled off the former.

                                                        I always figured most boots were formed by injection molding. I wonder if the way it's formed affects how complicated you can make the structure (reinforcing areas, different thicknesses in certain areas etc) and if that's why Roces boots flop out after some time. Looking at a skate like the Salomon shell, there's all kinds of various thicknesses, stiffening areas etc built into the shell. The Roces has none of that.

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                                                          #29
                                                          so i just got told this but i thought julio made the boot from scratch

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                                                            #30
                                                            oh boy

                                                            https://www.instagram.com/instalesszeke/

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                                                              #31
                                                              i know they look like similar to some older bauers but didnt think it was a bauer mould... it's not is it?

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                                                                #32
                                                                Good lord. Listen to any of the 16487462 pod casts that Julio put out this year and educate yourself.

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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by KUBINS View Post
                                                                  oh boy

                                                                  you dill hole

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                                                                    #34
                                                                    I did get mine a couple of days before and i have Mixed feelings about it.

                                                                    On a "I'm a rollerblader" level, it's almost a must get, one of the Models that you just have to have, at least to me.

                                                                    On a Hardware level, it''s an ok skate. You definitly get what you pay for , yet not so much as with some other skate.
                                                                    The one thing that actually did bother me is the positioning of the Buckle receptor, which i had to move a bit, just to be able to grab it properly (i keep my nails short).
                                                                    The boot itself is really soft, but works if you strap it really tight.
                                                                    But this is all stuff that can be fixed in future models.

                                                                    tl;dr

                                                                    It's a ok skate that works right out of the box (except that receptor, but that might only be me) , yet the main reason i bought it is Jon and all the History/Nostalgia.

                                                                    Good job, go on.
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by StarScream View Post
                                                                      The one thing that actually did bother me is the positioning of the Buckle receptor, which i had to move a bit, just to be able to grab it properly
                                                                      you can push the strap in, like you're tightening the buckles, and it will lift up between clicks. easy way to grab it.

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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by used2sk8 View Post

                                                                        you can push the strap in, like you're tightening the buckles, and it will lift up between clicks. easy way to grab it.
                                                                        Something that simple shouldn't use a Workaround. How Buckles work optimal has been figured out decades ago. (cough..salomon..roces..cough)
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          The buckle on Valo/Roces is still one of the main reasons I skate them!

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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by StarScream View Post

                                                                            Something that simple shouldn't use a Workaround. How Buckles work optimal has been figured out decades ago. (cough..salomon..roces..cough)
                                                                            yeah, except the salomon buckle receiver design causes it to get kicked open constantly. but sure, i guess it's built tough.

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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Been skating thems with oysis and intuition liners for the best part of a month now. They feel fucking amazing, the cheap plastic shell is definitely a strength since you can really cinch it around your foot, and since the cuff is proper the support is good. The flex really feels like it comes from low down, like a hockey skate kinda feel. Its not surprising to be honest. The groove is pretty nice but feels super different to what I'm used to. The only thing that annoys me a bit is that there's a little bit more forward flex than I would like, it kinda hurts my foot where my ankles a little bit fucked.

                                                                              That's all that I've noticed about actually skating these things so far. I really like them. They feel super precise, and I'd have to say closer to a carbon or hockey skate than anything else I've skated.
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Been using them for a month or so, but hardly any aggressive... A lot of my friends/life happens within 3 miles from where I live so have been using these often for transport and a few night skates around the area... So far, I really like them.

                                                                                The fit is bang on perfect for me (first boot ever!) which really makes a difference with everything, very responsive and very good power transfer... The skates have a great 'pop' to them for le quick jumps, and they sound and feel solid on landings... Been using the stock liner, which I love. Personally I like the aesthetics of the cuff hood so much that I'd feel I was missing something if I used another liner...

                                                                                I adapted to them faster than any other skate I've had in the past as far as aggressive goes, though I've only used them a couple of times... Topsides feel particularly good, but groove tricks took a bit of getting used to...

                                                                                To be honest, most of the above I attribute to finding a skate that fits right, over the skates in particular... They are pretty basic, entry point skates and that's that, and they perform how I would expect skates to perform that fit good...

                                                                                Really it all highlights the importance of finding skates that fit the individual, and is a reminder that we really need more stores or outlets for people to try before buying skates...

                                                                                I know a lot of people who have skates they 'love' except for the fact that said skates fuck their feet up so much they get literal wounds or need heal time... That seems insane to me TBH..

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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Dubjeeberplus View Post
                                                                                  Been using them for a month or so, but hardly any aggressive... A lot of my friends/life happens within 3 miles from where I live so have been using these often for transport and a few night skates around the area... So far, I really like them.

                                                                                  The fit is bang on perfect for me (first boot ever!) which really makes a difference with everything, very responsive and very good power transfer... The skates have a great 'pop' to them for le quick jumps, and they sound and feel solid on landings... Been using the stock liner, which I love. Personally I like the aesthetics of the cuff hood so much that I'd feel I was missing something if I used another liner...

                                                                                  I adapted to them faster than any other skate I've had in the past as far as aggressive goes, though I've only used them a couple of times... Topsides feel particularly good, but groove tricks took a bit of getting used to...

                                                                                  To be honest, most of the above I attribute to finding a skate that fits right, over the skates in particular... They are pretty basic, entry point skates and that's that, and they perform how I would expect skates to perform that fit good...

                                                                                  Really it all highlights the importance of finding skates that fit the individual, and is a reminder that we really need more stores or outlets for people to try before buying skates...

                                                                                  I know a lot of people who have skates they 'love' except for the fact that said skates fuck their feet up so much they get literal wounds or need heal time... That seems insane to me TBH..
                                                                                  What size are you on and what frames/wheels do you have?

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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Maus View Post

                                                                                    What size are you on and what frames/wheels do you have?
                                                                                    Medium shell... small symetrics and symetrics wheels... I also use these, which I highly recommend to any blader- https://www.superdrug.com/Scholl/Sch...FbAW0wodiKQAbQ

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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      ^ Whoa, the brand isn't called "Dr. Scholl's" over yonder?

                                                                                      I also agree that the most attractive feature of the skate is that the shell fits my foot perfectly. I've been skating MV-twelveteens s for so long that I forgot what it's like to skate for 2+ hours without going home with blisters. I'm still really liking mine, liner included.

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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by ryanmatthewdaily View Post
                                                                                        ^ Whoa, the brand isn't called "Dr. Scholl's" over yonder?

                                                                                        I also agree that the most attractive feature of the skate is that the shell fits my foot perfectly. I've been skating MV-twelveteens s for so long that I forgot what it's like to skate for 2+ hours without going home with blisters. I'm still really liking mine, liner included.
                                                                                        It used to be 'Dr Scholl' I'm pretty sure... When I was a kid they had dedicated stores over here, though I don't think I've seen one in a while... Great insoles at any rate

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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Sean Darst pro skate coming out at the end of the month...

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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Despite being too small I tried mine last night with V1 Intutions and they were still definitely too small, all kinds of foot pain after the session! Definitely not for me but felt great other than being too small!

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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Maus View Post
                                                                                              Sean Darst pro skate coming out at the end of the month...
                                                                                              This one looks really nice, but the new blacks with white eyelets and buckle look awful.... Like one of those half-assed genysys editions

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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Dubjeeberplus View Post

                                                                                                This one looks really nice, but the new blacks with white eyelets and buckle look awful.... Like one of those half-assed genysys editions
                                                                                                Ah they remind me of the team Thrones that came out boot only! I loved those skates.

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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Replacement souls: US$50 °~°

                                                                                                  I always felt $40 was a bit of a rip-off for V13 souls. I do hope the 2.0 versions last quite a bit longer.

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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    It does seem like the price point thing has gone out the window but the new hardware update is amazing and word is they are totally functional so no need for them to be cheaper than the new models i guess. Although maybe a bit rich for me.

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