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    Kizer Element ll frames soon?

    Originally posted by Basza View Post
    Element II which will drop in a few months.
    let it be a 72mm or at least 68mm flat frame with plastic sidewalls and an aluminum core, please.

    #2
    Agree.

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      #3
      aluminium frame. Middle wheels rockered down (just like oysi). Comes with METAL Hblock yet it is replaceable so there will be an option to get plastic Hblock. Don`t know the exact size of wheels you can put in but with first look they look like Oysi frames but made of aluminium. Dont` know if there will be any plastic sidewalls added later. The idea is great but so far the Hblock looks waaaay too wide and too deep for flat skating. time will tell. one thing is sure though - Oysi frames changed the game.


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        #4
        Originally posted by Basza View Post
        Hblock looks waaaay too wide and too deep for flat skating.
        Kizer don't understand grinding on flat setups. To be fair, most people don't either, but they also haven't released like 6 frames which are aimed at flat.

        Slimline 1+2
        Element
        Level 1, 2, 3 and 3.1

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          #5
          I had such high hopes, but this all seems very disappointing. These companies perplex me.

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            #6
            Originally posted by DanielBond View Post

            Kizer don't understand grinding on flat setups. To be fair, most people don't either, but they also haven't released like 6 frames which are aimed at flat.

            Slimline 1+2
            Element
            Level 1, 2, 3 and 3.1
            1st Elements were very good for flat.


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              #7
              Originally posted by Basza View Post

              1st Elements were very good for flat.
              this

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                #8
                Originally posted by Basza View Post
                1st Elements were very good for flat.
                Looks like they could do 58mm flat. Which isn't bad, and at the time 58mm flat was considered pretty big. All sorts of problems with the frames though as people have mentioned, but they do look like with a revision they could have been great.

                Do you mean "very good" or "Very good for the time"?

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                  #9
                  very good even NOW . the only thing that comes close is Symetric. I consider a flat frame a good one or easy one ONLY if any random, medicore blader could royale the ledge without any problems with them. And Elements were/are like this. Please remember that the Hblock in elements has two sides. The side for flat was really good as it was super shallow - add the widest wheels split to date and bang - the perfect FLAT frame. not to mention it was aluminium. I really skated the shit of each frame I`m writing about.



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                    #10
                    there was this pic on facebook with element frame next to aeon frame and the split was almost identical

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                        #12
                        Pretty insane that more frames like the element did not come about considering with the design, if you did not like the stock h block (or sidewalls for that matter), you can just easily enough make your own. Even one with a wheel cup h block like bigs (hint to perfect frames). The only two complaints I had with my elements were weight and way too high for the size wheels compatible.

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                          #13
                          Does anyone have any more info on these? Pictures or links?
                          Last edited by irollnj; 26.07.2018, 19:51.

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                            #14
                            got howard elements yesterday, skated a ledge and having anti-rocker setups forever I must say elements are better then I imagined

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                              #15
                              I really really hope this is them. I would buy these right now… great fusion of tech, plus that hblock thing could be in metal or plastic.

                              Last edited by Momagic; 12.11.2018, 12:38.
                              Blading since 1994.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Momagic View Post
                                I really really hope this is them. I would buy these right now… great fusion of tech, plus that hblock thing could be in metal or plastic.

                                I cant imagine that will go into production. as fun as those look for park that would be a bold move by kizer, and those frame sliders have snagging issues written all over them. Surely those would not fair too well on many street obstacles besides rails.

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                                  #17
                                  That groove looks awful deep....

                                  As for the sliders, I imagine they simply don't have the plastic walls attached in this picture.
                                  Yours truly,

                                  Metric F. Tonne

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Metric F. Tonne View Post
                                    That groove looks awful deep....

                                    As for the sliders, I imagine they simply don't have the plastic walls attached in this picture.
                                    That would make sense so as not to reveal too much during tests. I was really hoping the element 2 would utilize axle rockering, though I am super happy to see them making good use of tap threaded ends on their speed axles. Also, having an aluminum chassis allows for counter sunk ufs hardware (are you there powerslide?) even though that would mean requiring special ufs bolts for the frames it would be worth it in my opinion to potentially lower the ride height.

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                                      #19
                                      It's me or...
                                      The H block seems to be in aluminium.
                                      Inner wheels seems to be smaller ( hilow or oysis like ) due to f***ing UFS.

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                                        #20
                                        I hope these get released. Always good to have options. Kizer have released all manor of ghastly frame designs in the past but at least they are trying to keep up with the competition. Its true that these look like a mix of Oysi and Anthony Pottiers Flat frame. If they release with both aluminium and plastic H blocks that would be nice. Lastly if they release these before Kyle Sosa (I think thats his name) aluminium frames (the ones that both Joe and Wagner skate) that could put a serious dent in his future profits... i'm sure it will have a very high price point like the Wizard frames. Anyway, I like the look of them.
                                        Hello friend.

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by The Rusted Gun View Post
                                          I hope these get released. Always good to have options. Kizer have released all manor of ghastly frame designs in the past but at least they are trying to keep up with the competition. Its true that these look like a mix of Oysi and Anthony Pottiers Flat frame. If they release with both aluminium and plastic H blocks that would be nice. Lastly if they release these before Kyle Sosa (I think thats his name) aluminium frames (the ones that both Joe and Wagner skate) that could put a serious dent in his future profits... i'm sure it will have a very high price point like the Wizard frames. Anyway, I like the look of them.
                                          With you on that. I would buy these now… I love the Oysi rockering idea. But having the choice of metal or plastic H blocks would be killer. And I don't think they need any plastic walls on the sides to 'protect' them. I also think having just the one sided bolts like on wizards etc is a great idea. So yeah Kizer - please can we have these (without the MASSIVE logo though please)
                                          Blading since 1994.

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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Metric F. Tonne View Post
                                            That groove looks awful deep....

                                            As for the sliders, I imagine they simply don't have the plastic walls attached in this picture.
                                            probably an optic illusion due to the h block being wide and going past the frame

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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by PA View Post

                                              probably an optic illusion due to the h block being wide and going past the frame
                                              I hope so, otherwise it's slimline all over again.
                                              Yours truly,

                                              Metric F. Tonne

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                                                #24
                                                New member here, been lurking for a while.

                                                Wanted to ask what's up with those black circles on the ends. The axle holes seem to be eccentric within the larger black piece, like Seba FR cuff bolts. If that's the case, and the black piece can rotate all 360 degrees (not just to 6 different positions like K2 Unnatural frame hardware), then you'd have a lot of fine adjustability.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by mgundert87 View Post
                                                  New member here, been lurking for a while.

                                                  Wanted to ask what's up with those black circles on the ends. The axle holes seem to be eccentric within the larger black piece, like Seba FR cuff bolts. If that's the case, and the black piece can rotate all 360 degrees (not just to 6 different positions like K2 Unnatural frame hardware), then you'd have a lot of fine adjustability.
                                                  They are quite an old concept from Kizer. They basically do not offer any rockering options, but what they do is essentially reduce the friction on the frames to a very minimal area when doing soul grinds. As we know - less surface area = faster grinds. they're an old concept, and seemed kind of daft adding them to already thick plastic frames. But in this case they make total sense. They will also protect the bolts here too. And would make cess slides a bit easer.
                                                  Blading since 1994.

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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Momagic View Post

                                                    They are quite an old concept from Kizer. They basically do not offer any rockering options, but what they do is essentially reduce the friction on the frames to a very minimal area when doing soul grinds. As we know - less surface area = faster grinds. they're an old concept, and seemed kind of daft adding them to already thick plastic frames. But in this case they make total sense. They will also protect the bolts here too. And would make cess slides a bit easer.
                                                    Oh, it's that simple? :/

                                                    In any event, I'd love to try a 72mm+ aluminum frame with a big H-block on my new Solo Teams. GC Bigs don't fit because of their <2mm UFS nubs requirement, and the Solo hardware sticking out longer than that.

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                                                      #27
                                                      So back in the day I worked at a skating rink and those little black things on the bolts were put on all inline skates to keep the bolts from scratching the floor. I highly doubt those are part of the frame, looks like who ever is skating that frame added them to keep the frame off of what ever they are grinding.

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                                                        #28

                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn1-WCmXgQw&fbclid

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