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    The K2 Unnatural Frame - any reviews?

    I'm really tempted on the newer K2 frame. They can be found cheapish and 60mm flat seems decent to me. Has anyone skated them and can let me know how they ride? The groove looks similar to the Mega which is considerably more expensive (And 65mm wheels tend to be more expensive too).

    Rockering on the 6mm axles seems like it could be cool too. Not sure about the 258mm length though. Can't tell if it'll be too long or short.

    Any word?

    #2
    Sizing is weird, because I have the longer valo frames now and the front wheels don't stick out of the end of the UK9 Roces boot, whereas the larger CO frame did...even though it's apparently shorter by 4mm. I want to see that front wheel when I look down! But I also don't want the 298 K2 frame....shit looks too long.

    Large CO - 264
    Small Valo - 250
    Large Valo - 268
    K2 size 1 - 258
    K2 size 2 - 298

    Edit:
    Turns out the skateshop sent me the wrong size Valo frames, so I thought I had the long ones...but I had the short ones.
    Last edited by DanielBond; 17.04.2018, 11:22.

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      #3
      You could get the longer one and rocker the middle wheels down a bit so you've got that manoeuvrability, kinda like the Oysi frames - Did you decide against those? Whichever you get make sure they come with the 6mm hardware too before ordering if you want to rocker, I've heard of people just getting the 8mm hardware with theirs rather than both. They'd look nice on a black Roces boot for sure.

      Have you seen that they're on Amazon for 25 quid? Don't know if these are S or L though: https://www.amazon.co.uk/K2-Unnatura...nnatural+frame

      There's also these 60mm wheels, 15 quid for 4, I imagine they're pretty decent quality and would look good in the frame: https://www.amazon.co.uk/K2-Street-3...k2+60mm+wheels

      Don't think you can kill the industry more than buying K2 products off Amazon haha.
      Last edited by DesignatedRolla; 10.04.2018, 16:17.

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        #4
        Yeah that ?25 deal kind of swung me on them. I think I'm going to be getting some salomons again so it seems a good time to change up everything. Really not feeling the Valo frames for flat right now. I'm not too bothered about rockering, but I think the long K2 frames would look way long on uk8.5 salomons.

        Right now I can't afford Oysi/Mega with 8 decent wheels and bearings.

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          #5
          I have the 298 frames on my 11 US Unnaturals. The wheels stick out pretty far past the toe and heel of the skate. I actually am about to switch to different frames because I haven't been feeling the K2 frames for a while and I've had them for almost a year (very little skating, to be honest). They feel too long and I've eaten shit a few times because of it.

          If you are thinking about putting them on anything smaller than a 10 US, they will look silly as shit and feel like skis. I wouldn't recommend it but I'm not your dad, so you do you.

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            #6
            Originally posted by DesignatedRolla View Post
            Don't think you can kill the industry more than buying K2 products off Amazon haha.
            You know I fucking hate Amazon, but I can't argue with ?55 for a full flat setup on those mini-mega frames. Goddam.

            I have a pretty fresh set of 57s at the moment, so I think I can manage on those for a while.

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              #7
              I'll look forward to seeing a pic of your new setup.

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                #8
                Originally posted by DanielBond View Post
                I'm really tempted on the newer K2 frame. They can be found cheapish and 60mm flat seems decent to me. Has anyone skated them and can let me know how they ride? The groove looks similar to the Mega which is considerably more expensive (And 65mm wheels tend to be more expensive too).

                Rockering on the 6mm axles seems like it could be cool too. Not sure about the 258mm length though. Can't tell if it'll be too long or short.

                Any word?
                They're great frames IMO. The groove on the 2017 K2 frame is like a GC Mega but the split is wider on the K2. If you ever skated symetrics, you may have noticed they're a bit flexy material. Don't have that feeling with the k2s, which feel plenty solid and a fast ride. Can grind with 60s no issue.

                Skating them with 57s might be weird, but please follow up and let us know if you do. Only bummer is the small K2 frame does not have protection for the negative bolts. The large frame does tho ?\_(ツ)_/?

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                  #9
                  I skate K2 front streets with the long frames on a size 9 boot. I'm a lanky twat so I like the long frame, it's very stable at speed, though does look a little daft. Initiially they felt very odd because of the length and I didn't have any better maneouvreability than on anti. Then after a few sessions the setup started to break in and a few sessions more of getting used to it and the wheels bedding in they work really well. I got over that pretty quickly when I started sessioning a square ledge.

                  No wheel bite!!

                  H-block is possibly the best there is for flat skating at the moment.
                  one problem with these frames and the cheap k2 wheels is that they don't last. If you skate street and ledge then they will die quickly. no issue for me in a typical skatepark only skating once a week.Last night I was at the UKBC ramp1 session and had absolutely no problem hitting savannaghs/royales/torques on the horrible square ledges. I love this frame a great deal. I've tried creates and adapts flat. for me, these are better. They just work so well.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by kee View Post
                    I skate K2 front streets with the long frames on a size 9 boot. I'm a lanky twat so I like the long frame, it's very stable at speed, though does look a little daft. Initiially they felt very odd because of the length and I didn't have any better maneouvreability than on anti. Then after a few sessions the setup started to break in and a few sessions more of getting used to it and the wheels bedding in they work really well. I got over that pretty quickly when I started sessioning a square ledge.

                    No wheel bite!!

                    H-block is possibly the best there is for flat skating at the moment.
                    one problem with these frames and the cheap k2 wheels is that they don't last. If you skate street and ledge then they will die quickly. no issue for me in a typical skatepark only skating once a week.Last night I was at the UKBC ramp1 session and had absolutely no problem hitting savannaghs/royales/torques on the horrible square ledges. I love this frame a great deal. I've tried creates and adapts flat. for me, these are better. They just work so well.
                    This made me wanna try them haha

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by DesignatedRolla View Post

                      This made me wanna try them haha
                      I'll allow it, get it done.

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                        #12


                        Took a punt on those 25 quid amazon K2 frames and they showed up today. They are 258 length with all the spacers and 6mm and 8mm hardware. Got some Salomons coming tomorrow so I'm really doing absolute best to #destroytheindustry

                        Quick look over the frames though, and they look legit.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by DanielBond View Post


                          Took a punt on those 25 quid amazon K2 frames and they showed up today. They are 258 length with all the spacers and 6mm and 8mm hardware. Got some Salomons coming tomorrow so I'm really doing absolute best to #destroytheindustry

                          Quick look over the frames though, and they look legit.
                          Fuck it I'm gonna order some for that price. Post a pic of your setup when you get it put together.

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                            #14
                            Yes you are good people.
                            get some clips up too

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                              #15
                              Started setting the frames up last night. I'm on some BHC 57mm which I'm going to try them with before i try some 60/61mm wheels.


                              Noticed a few things. Firstly, up against the smaller Valo frame you can see the split is wider and they are a bit longer overall.



                              The material seems good, like a nylon kind of feel, kind of hard but pretty different to the CO material it seems. Less glassy. I'm trying the 8mm hardware first. I might rocker at some point. One thing at a time.

                              The spacers have 3 grooves in them that some small flanges on the axles fit into. This makes one allen-key fitting easy and it's a beautiful touch. It all fits together so perfectly it's a great bit of engineering. The wheels went in with a bit of difficulty though, although this probably means that the tolerances are really tight and is a good thing.




                              With 57mm the wheel cups do seem to hang a little lower than ideal so I'll skate them a few sessions and see how i get on before upping wheel size. Not sure if a few mm would realistically make much difference. I reckon you could squeeze the CJ 62mm in there easy though with a little dremell maybe.



                              Functionally they look good and seem super solid. The wheel cups seem well thought out and overall the quality of the frames and hardware as well as the packaging make this one of the best presented bits of skate hardware I've bought.



                              Got some new skates arriving any day so once I'm setup I'll post a few clips and let you know how i think they skate. Already tempted on getting another pair for spare.

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                                #16
                                Looking forward to your review. Going from valo frames to K2 is like going from Vespa to sedan. Tho I really like how solid they ride, avoiding wheel bite on valo frames (with 58-60) was a chore for me. For royales i had to sort of cess on top of the ledge. One positive is It forced me to think of other tricks instead of casual royales and torques.

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                                  #17
                                  I went all out and ordered Unnaturals as they were £95 in my size! Bit of a risky move and I'll have to sell some setups but I'm intrigued.

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                                    #18
                                    !!!!

                                    They actually look great, especially if for a bigwheel setup. £95 quid. Jesus.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by DanielBond View Post
                                      !!!!

                                      They actually look great, especially if for a bigwheel setup. £95 quid. Jesus.
                                      Yeah will probably be a big wheel setup and the frames and wheels are a bonus. Might try them as they are out of the box though.

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                                        #20
                                        I think the price is creeping up on the Amazon K2 frames - buy buy!

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by DesignatedRolla View Post

                                          Yeah will probably be a big wheel setup and the frames and wheels are a bonus. Might try them as they are out of the box though.
                                          Here's a little review I did when I figured out how to set mine up:
                                          These are what I was expecting my Sebas to be, but better. To get good forward flex out of the box, this is what I did:

                                          You do not want to tighten everything up on these skates. You need to start with everything pretty loose before you roll around. I loosened the laces of the Unnaturals a lot, all the way down, then put my foot in. I laced them at about 80-85% tightness (there's no real way for me to measure this) and only laced them to the 3rd eyelet from the top and opted to not lace through the top lacing spot on the tongue. Instep strap is clamped down tight. The end of the buckle goes about 6-7 clicks past the end of the buckle receptor guard, then it's time to move on to the top velcro strap. I crouch down a bit to force forward flex and do up the velcro strap at about 75% tightness.

                                          As you skate around, you will need to tighten the buckle and top velcro strap eventually to your desired tightness and forward flexibility. You should be able to feel it when you hit the sweet spot. When you do, it's vastly different than trying to skate them tight out of the box. I got so many tricks back that I lost when I went to Xsjados. The long frame length for an 11 US boot took some getting used to, but I enjoy these skates.

                                          The souls and frames slide so nice, and feel faster than the Xsjado 2.0, Carbon, Nimh/SSM, and Seba souls. The frames are what I was expecting Kaltiks and Bigs to be, but better. I did not experience any wheel bite in 3 hours grinding every ledge and quarter in the park.

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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by `\.oOOo./` View Post

                                            Here's a little review I did when I figured out how to set mine up:
                                            These are what I was expecting my Sebas to be, but better. To get good forward flex out of the box, this is what I did:

                                            You do not want to tighten everything up on these skates. You need to start with everything pretty loose before you roll around. I loosened the laces of the Unnaturals a lot, all the way down, then put my foot in. I laced them at about 80-85% tightness (there's no real way for me to measure this) and only laced them to the 3rd eyelet from the top and opted to not lace through the top lacing spot on the tongue. Instep strap is clamped down tight. The end of the buckle goes about 6-7 clicks past the end of the buckle receptor guard, then it's time to move on to the top velcro strap. I crouch down a bit to force forward flex and do up the velcro strap at about 75% tightness.

                                            As you skate around, you will need to tighten the buckle and top velcro strap eventually to your desired tightness and forward flexibility. You should be able to feel it when you hit the sweet spot. When you do, it's vastly different than trying to skate them tight out of the box. I got so many tricks back that I lost when I went to Xsjados. The long frame length for an 11 US boot took some getting used to, but I enjoy these skates.

                                            The souls and frames slide so nice, and feel faster than the Xsjado 2.0, Carbon, Nimh/SSM, and Seba souls. The frames are what I was expecting Kaltiks and Bigs to be, but better. I did not experience any wheel bite in 3 hours grinding every ledge and quarter in the park.

                                            Thanks man! I'll keep that in mind!

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                                              #23
                                              They'll be stiff but give them a bit of time.
                                              from what I've read and been told, the unnatural is better suited to big wheel setup and the front Street (which I use) is better for us idiots on tiny wheels.

                                              The above is a good guide but go the opposite route .Tight laces and loose buckle, works out quite well for me at the moment, though I may try and change the lacing a little next time.

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by kee View Post
                                                The above is a good guide but go the opposite route .Tight laces and loose buckle, works out quite well for me at the moment, though I may try and change the lacing a little next time.
                                                I found that the top of my feet would become numb if I tightened the laces too much, so it really is a just preference. The buckles are not very tight for me though at 6-7 clicks past the receptor. I usually have to do another 2 clicks after about an hour of skating, as well as the top velcro strap needing a bit of tightening. The longer I skate them, the tighter everything gets incrementally.

                                                Lovely blades for sure. I would love to see K2 come out with a white boot for once. Prototypes don't count. I'm looking at you, all white Style Point that i saw on the internet once.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Damn you all. I told myself I was going to stop spending money on skates and just enjoy skating... but I may have to go against myself. I’m not the biggest fan of my Oysi frame, but I have nothing to compare it to. All I am sure of is that (for many reasons) I can only ride flat...

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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Swolie View Post
                                                    Damn you all. I told myself I was going to stop spending money on skates and just enjoy skating... but I may have to go against myself. I’m not the biggest fan of my Oysi frame, but I have nothing to compare it to. All I am sure of is that (for many reasons) I can only ride flat...
                                                    Word I need to stop buying skate stuff and just enjoy skating! I hope these help haha.

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                                                      #27
                                                      I just switched out my K2 frames with some hand-me-down Creates (non-CRS) and it took me about an hour to get used to anti-rocker after skating flat for 9 years. Wow, the shorter frame length felt so much better than the 298s, and so did grinds. Outters are M1 Trinities w/ Bones Super Swiss 6 and inners are Kryptonic Lil' Roxx with garbage bearings.

                                                      I'll add a photo to the Setup thread later.

                                                      Laced a zero spin top torque soul 360 out first try, and I hadn't ever done one before

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                                                        #28
                                                        Little update after one session on the K2 frames.

                                                        Skated these on my Salomons, so everything felt weird for the first bit and the shock absorbers were dying under my feet the whole time. The plastic slid really fast and they felt really stiff and responsive overall. On the roll, they felt like Valo frames - stiff, fast...normal.

                                                        The mini ramp near me is made of a pretty rough concrete and the platforms are also kind of rough. No one really sessions it (it's not wide and the coping is also low, so it's not much of a session) so the coping and platform aren't worn in and slidey at all. I was doing royales on the mini EASY - no wheel drag, nothing. Topsouls didn't stick on the leading foot and everything was great with no wax. These frames are the truth! Very exited to break them in more.

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                                                          #29
                                                          Update:

                                                          Been skating these now for a few months. Few things I'm noticing.
                                                          • Someone pointed out that the frames make a certain "hollow" kind of sound...that's true and I've been checking bolts and UFS screws all the time and everything is tight. Weird.
                                                          • The sidewalls are really thin - although these are amazing for wheel protection, I feel like they'd wear quick if you skated ledges / anything that wears your plastic quickly. I literally only have skated these on park and they are wearing down on the sidewalls.
                                                          • Wheelbite continues to be non-existant with these with 57mm flat. A great design.
                                                          • I do keep catching in the gap between the wheel and wheelcup though, so I think a bigger wheel is necessary for these. Not an issue on round things, only angle-iron edges.

                                                          Got new wheels coming shortly (62mm) so I'll update again.

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                                                            #30
                                                            Update:
                                                            • 62mm fits with the 8mm hardware - not tried with 6mm hardware and rockering yet.
                                                            • They rubbed in positions 2 and 3, but I skated once round the block and they had worn in and rolled fine.
                                                            • With 62mm the groove becomes perhaps not completely ideal, as I started getting a tiny bit of wheelbite on topsouls and torque tricks. I expect this will ease as I adapt to it a little and the wheels wear in. The wheels had a square-ish profile, so maybe the more rounded CJs would be better.
                                                            • They are still MILES better than 57mm flat on CO or Valo frames when it comes to wheelbite.

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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by DanielBond View Post
                                                              Update:
                                                              • 62mm fits with the 8mm hardware - not tried with 6mm hardware and rockering yet.
                                                              • They rubbed in positions 2 and 3, but I skated once round the block and they had worn in and rolled fine.
                                                              • With 62mm the groove becomes perhaps not completely ideal, as I started getting a tiny bit of wheelbite on topsouls and torque tricks. I expect this will ease as I adapt to it a little and the wheels wear in. The wheels had a square-ish profile, so maybe the more rounded CJs would be better.
                                                              • They are still MILES better than 57mm flat on CO or Valo frames when it comes to wheelbite.
                                                              Cool thanks for the update. I managed tp buy some of these frames for an outrageously low price, and I think I will set them up on my next Salomons. Think I might try the DEad's (58mm) with the rockered set up…
                                                              Blading since 1994.

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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Momagic View Post

                                                                Cool thanks for the update. I managed tp buy some of these frames for an outrageously low price, and I think I will set them up on my next Salomons. Think I might try the DEad's (58mm) with the rockered set up…
                                                                That would be cool. Could even do the harder ones in the middle and the normal ones on the outside for even better #grindingprotection

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                                                                  #33


                                                                  my experience so far without skating them:
                                                                  luckily i ordered two sets (normal size and skis) cause someone at the k2 factory fucked up and put the wrong frame spacers in the box.



                                                                  if you want to use the rockering option you will have to use 6mm axles and those need two different frame spacers (round opening and hexagonal opening).
                                                                  i got two sets of round opening spacers in one box.
                                                                  also, the spacers are poorly made.
                                                                  not what i expected from k2.

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                                                                    #34
                                                                    That's annoying. My set was complete AFAIK - I haven't checked the 6mm stuff yet though.

                                                                    60 flat on the long frames looks a bit funny - almost looks like the centre wheels are closer together than 1+2 and 3+4. That said, it looks like a fun setup and not toooo long.

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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by DanielBond View Post
                                                                      That's annoying. My set was complete AFAIK - I haven't checked the 6mm stuff yet though.

                                                                      60 flat on the long frames looks a bit funny - almost looks like the centre wheels are closer together than 1+2 and 3+4. That said, it looks like a fun setup and not toooo long.
                                                                      Are you riding 62's now and did they fit in with no modification?

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                                                                        #36
                                                                        They fit fine. The 3rd wheel rubbed a TINY bit but literally once round the block and they were good. For grinding they are a little wheelbitey on torque stuff, but I'm used to it now and they've worn in a little. Maybe GO62 would be fine as the profile is less square. The speed of 62mm is incredible. Never going back to >60mm.

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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by DanielBond View Post
                                                                          They fit fine. The 3rd wheel rubbed a TINY bit but literally once round the block and they were good. For grinding they are a little wheelbitey on torque stuff, but I'm used to it now and they've worn in a little. Maybe GO62 would be fine as the profile is less square. The speed of 62mm is incredible. Never going back to >60mm.
                                                                          I have a full setup of GO 62's, just trying to decide whether to get K2 or Mega frames.

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