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  • bostonsk8er
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    yay, more neg rep!!!

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    -rep for bringing it back to the top.

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    HOF it. it finally died.

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    Originally posted by nb View Post

    blam

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    Originally posted by bobgross View Post
    On another note, this thread has every kind of discussion ever in it.
    Last i checked it still lacks boobs, politics and religion
    Could do without last 2 but the first should be fixed:

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  • Mudhut Jollyrancher
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    OR WAS THAT JUST THE ORIGINAL GUMBY!!!!!!!!????????!?!?!?!

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  • Mudhut Jollyrancher
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    Originally posted by xxxx View Post
    I dig that. I've had that conversation with my friends, that a sweatshop is better than no job at all, or even worse, something like prostitution. However, I can't really say that the less of two evils is better. If Americans (as one, if not the, prime importers of their goods) would say that they wanted some of the practices changed, the Indonesian government would work for at least a little (albeit lacking) reform. Regardless of all that though...

    I just read Billy's responses and I'd like to say that if Billy O'Neil had to quit skating and was penniless, he could crash on my couch and eat my food for a while to get back on his feet. That's a promise.

    Billy answered those questions like a true professional. His answers were concise and made perfect sense.
    I applaud him.
    are you the same gumby that drinks, jumps off roofs and gets kicked in the head?

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  • xxxx
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    I dig that. I've had that conversation with my friends, that a sweatshop is better than no job at all, or even worse, something like prostitution. However, I can't really say that the less of two evils is better. If Americans (as one, if not the, prime importers of their goods) would say that they wanted some of the practices changed, the Indonesian government would work for at least a little (albeit lacking) reform. Regardless of all that though...

    I just read Billy's responses and I'd like to say that if Billy O'Neil had to quit skating and was penniless, he could crash on my couch and eat my food for a while to get back on his feet. That's a promise.

    Billy answered those questions like a true professional. His answers were concise and made perfect sense.
    I applaud him.

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  • bobgross
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    Although, as a more serious argument to your statement, being in a sweatshop is a lot better than what some of the other kids have to do over there.
    You see 6 year old kids standing out in the middle of the street all day, so that when people stop they can knock on their windows and try to sell them food.

    And barely anyone stops, because that's just how Indonesia is. They're so obsessed with status and luxury over there, Americans care more about Indonesia's poor population (which is a good chunk) than actual Indonesians do.
    One reason why I hate being over there.


    On another note, this thread has every kind of discussion ever in it.
    Last edited by bobgross; 30.09.2010, 23:22. Reason: edited for clarity

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  • xxxx
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    Originally posted by bobgross View Post
    I only buy shirts that are made by Indonesians in sweatshops.
    That way i'm supporting my heritage.
    Booooooom.
    Got me.
    hahahahaha

    I mean...if that's what's up, that's what's up.

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  • tonyrivituso
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    FUCKING LINGERERS...

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  • MeGusta
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    Originally posted by bobgross View Post
    I only buy shirts that are made by Indonesians in sweatshops.
    That way i'm supporting my heritage.
    www.full-of-win.orgasm

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  • bostonsk8er
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    deep stuff. and all true. personally i like the conferences products, and if you work for them, and are happy with the pay then great. if not, its not on us as a community to fix it. its up to you to either talk to your boss about it or find another job. real life.

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  • bobgross
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    Originally posted by xxxx View Post
    I make 80% of the clothes I wear from thrift store jeans and shirts I resew to custom fit me. I don't wear skater owned clothes that are made in the Philippines/Indonesia in sweat shops (Vibralux/most other skate companies), and the only non thrift stuff I rock is Haynes, Low Life, and Kaspa shirts and random socks from wherever (although most of my socks are 3 or 4 years old).
    Just because something is skater owned doesn't make it amazing. Most skater owned companies (including ones I skate for) are exploiting rollerbladers and/or people overseas in one way or another.

    I think a lot about the fact that I skate a skate (NIMHs) that are made in a factory somewhere that is probably sub-par as far as safety standards and pay, but I also work jobs with sub-par safety standards and pay, and I use the skates to do a job with sub-par safety standards and pay, so what the fuck can I really say about it?!?

    Basically, the only way to boycott sub-par treatment of humans in rollerblading is to buy used skates and parts from thrift/second hand stores in order to stop supporting the rollerblading economy and/or make your own products (Not that I do that, or plan on doing that).

    It's really up to rollerbladers to take charge and be business minded to raise our own economy out of the gutter and make shit happen. You can't complain about a pay check from a rollerblading company when they've made you sign NO CONTRACT that ensures loyalty. If everyone on USD wanted to, they could save up, pool their money, and start their own company that was exactly the same company without the previous owners being involved. Hell, they could even make the skates almost exactly the same. Apparently, they don't want to do that. I don't know why they don't want to (because I would), but, they don't, and they're in that position, and it's their right to do whatever the fuck they want.

    If no one in rollerblading cares enough, outsiders will always own the larger part of the industry, and they will control the money.

    But, fuck, rollerblading's whole economy could tank in a couple years, and then at least none of the pros would be stuck holding the bill.

    *EDIT*
    Also, if USD pros are making on or around $1,300 a month, USD is giving them enough money to go out and buy their own health insurance and still live pretty decently. They'd be left with around $1,100 dollars to do with whatever they want. Last time I checked, that's plenty to live off of and save a little with as well.

    Do what you can with what you're given and your next step up will come into the light.
    I only buy shirts that are made by Indonesians in sweatshops.
    That way i'm supporting my heritage.

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  • xxxx
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    Originally posted by nameant View Post
    The whole skater owned concept is overstressed. We're all fucking hypocrites. Unless every time you go skate, everything on your body is made from a skater, what does it matter if your skates are? What's the difference between dishing out $300 for skates/frames/wheels that are skater owned, when you're rocking a Target v-neck and some name brand jeans, boxers, and socks? Rollerblade tees are $20-$30, the jeans are $50-$70. That's ALSO money that could be put into skater owned companies. You think you're any better for rocking Nihms, Create Originals, and Street Artist wheels, when your wardrobe comes from a fuckin department store? I have tried to skate certain brands of skates based on who the owner was, or how dope I thought the company was, but then I got tired of riding skates I don't really like, for the wrong reasons. Skate whatever the fuck you like, whether it's skater owned or not. The bottom line is, your money is going back into the industry. No company is in rollerblading for the money. Even the big, non skater owned companies can go out and make more money elsewhere. Unless every time you go out to skate, you're rocking a skater owned tee, jeans, boxers, socks, skates, frames, wheels, bearings, and shoes, get off your high horse about this skater owned shit.
    I make 80% of the clothes I wear from thrift store jeans and shirts I resew to custom fit me. I don't wear skater owned clothes that are made in the Philippines/Indonesia in sweat shops (Vibralux/most other skate companies), and the only non thrift stuff I rock is Haynes, Low Life, and Kaspa shirts and random socks from wherever (although most of my socks are 3 or 4 years old).
    Just because something is skater owned doesn't make it amazing. Most skater owned companies (including ones I skate for) are exploiting rollerbladers and/or people overseas in one way or another.

    I think a lot about the fact that I skate a skate (NIMHs) that are made in a factory somewhere that is probably sub-par as far as safety standards and pay, but I also work jobs with sub-par safety standards and pay, and I use the skates to do a job with sub-par safety standards and pay, so what the fuck can I really say about it?!?

    Basically, the only way to boycott sub-par treatment of humans in rollerblading is to buy used skates and parts from thrift/second hand stores in order to stop supporting the rollerblading economy and/or make your own products (Not that I do that, or plan on doing that).

    It's really up to rollerbladers to take charge and be business minded to raise our own economy out of the gutter and make shit happen. You can't complain about a pay check from a rollerblading company when they've made you sign NO CONTRACT that ensures loyalty. If everyone on USD wanted to, they could save up, pool their money, and start their own company that was exactly the same company without the previous owners being involved. Hell, they could even make the skates almost exactly the same. Apparently, they don't want to do that. I don't know why they don't want to (because I would), but, they don't, and they're in that position, and it's their right to do whatever the fuck they want.

    If no one in rollerblading cares enough, outsiders will always own the larger part of the industry, and they will control the money.

    But, fuck, rollerblading's whole economy could tank in a couple years, and then at least none of the pros would be stuck holding the bill.

    *EDIT*
    Also, if USD pros are making on or around $1,300 a month, USD is giving them enough money to go out and buy their own health insurance and still live pretty decently. They'd be left with around $1,100 dollars to do with whatever they want. Last time I checked, that's plenty to live off of and save a little with as well.

    Do what you can with what you're given and your next step up will come into the light.
    Last edited by xxxx; 30.09.2010, 20:36.

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    Originally posted by smokes View Post
    P.S. bostonsk8er, who are you? I've been living in Boston for all 26 years of my life and I have no idea who you are. I don't think you should be saying anything really about Fish "hiding like a bitch." My name is Andrew Smolak I live in Brighton and I would LOVE to see you say that to Fish in person. I can arrange it if you would like.

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    Originally posted by smokes View Post
    This thread is just pure chaos. Why don't you all strap up and shut up.

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  • bostonsk8er
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    Originally posted by smokes View Post
    P.S. bostonsk8er, who are you? I've been living in Boston for all 26 years of my life and I have no idea who you are. I don't think you should be saying anything really about Fish "hiding like a bitch." My name is Andrew Smolak I live in Brighton and I would LOVE to see you say that to Fish in person. I can arrange it if you would like.
    i calls it like i sees it. not that i have any respect for CK don't get me wrong. and i think i've heard of you. doubt much you've heard of me. i'm new to the internets and used to keep mostly to myself until the last couple years. Name's john olson. and yeah, i'd say it to fish straight up. protecting the paycheck is mad weak. it's not meant to offend, simply pointing out the obvious.

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    So I just heard a very inside (came from the same vagina) source's opinion on all of this........

    But I completely forgot what he said now....DRATS!!!!!!!

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  • Freddy White
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    Originally posted by smokes View Post
    My name is Andrew Smolak I live in Brighton and I would LOVE to see you say that to Fish in person. I can arrange it if you would like.
    I don't care much about meeting Fish, however feel free to arrange any session you may like when I'm there !

    November, somewhere between the 15th -23d... Down to shred around Boston, Smoke !?

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  • ninon no chinko
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    Originally posted by smokes View Post
    P.S. bostonsk8er, who are you? I've been living in Boston for all 26 years of my life and I have no idea who you are. I don't think you should be saying anything really about Fish "hiding like a bitch." My name is Andrew Smolak I live in Brighton and I would LOVE to see you say that to Fish in person. I can arrange it if you would like.
    <3 smokes

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  • s.
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    Originally posted by TEEN IDOL View Post
    Hahaha. I guess it's good to be known for something, right?
    My favorite part of that whole skit was Chris' outfits. Those ice dancing tuxes were boss.
    haha fuck yeah

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    Hahaha. I guess it's good to be known for something, right?
    My favorite part of that whole skit was Chris' outfits. Those ice dancing tuxes were boss.

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  • Mudhut Jollyrancher
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    gromming so hard right now

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    Originally posted by Mahmoud Jalloh View Post
    "you're in my runway"
    "well this is my angle"
    ...
    "you're in my way again"
    "well this is my angle AGAIN, you see how we're just going in circles here?"
    appressed.

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  • Mudhut Jollyrancher
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    "you're in my runway"
    "well this is my angle"
    ...
    "you're in my way again"
    "well this is my angle AGAIN, you see how we're just going in circles here?"

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  • Mudhut Jollyrancher
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    holy shit youre travis
    best dude

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    Originally posted by bobgross View Post
    TRAVIS STEENSLID?
    AS IN "There's also no trick here" TRAVIS STEENSLID?

    YOU ARE THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME
    Thanks my man!
    Those were good times back then. I'm actually heading to So Cal tomorrow for a friend's wedding, and I'm looking forward to hanging out with the dudes I bladed with back then. No drama. No worrying about who's sponsored by who, or who is getting what. Just putting the blades on, and skating with friends. That's really all rollerblading has ever been about.

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    P.S. bostonsk8er, who are you? I've been living in Boston for all 26 years of my life and I have no idea who you are. I don't think you should be saying anything really about Fish "hiding like a bitch." My name is Andrew Smolak I live in Brighton and I would LOVE to see you say that to Fish in person. I can arrange it if you would like.

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    This thread is just pure chaos. Why don't you all strap up and shut up.

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  • George Amos
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    Originally posted by waitmichaelwait View Post
    ***EDIT***


    ARLO SAYS:

    That is a heavy-weight section. Keep 'industry bitching' and blade shredding separate.

    Haters gon hate, skaters gon skate.
    Last edited by George Amos; 29.09.2010, 18:07.

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    Best not to then.
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    Best not to then.

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  • CerealGuy
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    Originally posted by spaniard View Post
    Im not sure if you are being sarcastic, but if you arent, I work to live, and don't live to work. Powerslide treat me amazing, i work in what I love and I live in the city of my dreams where i moved when I was 16. I don't need to be rich, I'm exactly where i would like to be!

    Thanks tho.
    I wasn't being sarcastic... From this answer I get the feeling you took a pay cut to work at powerslide...
    None of my business so I wont ask about that...
    With my line of questioning I was leading down the path of asking you the big question... But I'm not sure I want to ask it anymore...
    I'm kinda satisfied with the answer you just gave... And im sure i'll get attacked for asking even though i mean no disrespect by asking it.....

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  • PA
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    Originally posted by jonPOOLER View Post
    scrolled down on that forum and found a link to http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=50382 the jacking off for jesus thread. aka the wucking it for kelso joint.
    i wish be-mag had medals

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  • bostonsk8er
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    Originally posted by jonPOOLER View Post
    scrolled down on that forum and found a link to http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=50382 the jacking off for jesus thread. aka the wucking it for kelso joint.
    wow. that Shit is very Fucked up. i don't know whether to laugh or not. if that is serial, something is very wrong with the world.

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  • jonPOOLER
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    scrolled down on that forum and found a link to http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=50382 the jacking off for jesus thread. aka the wucking it for kelso joint.

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  • danjama
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    That is an awesome section. Are you trying to revalidate CK's opinions by posting it? I'm not sure if that edit can overshadow the fact that CK has exposed himself as a dick.

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  • spaniard
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    Im not sure if you are being sarcastic, but if you arent, I work to live, and don't live to work. Powerslide treat me amazing, i work in what I love and I live in the city of my dreams where i moved when I was 16. I don't need to be rich, I'm exactly where i would like to be!

    Thanks tho.

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  • CerealGuy
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    spaniard: you sound like a very qualified dude...
    you also sound like a very expensive dude to keep around any company...
    how can the conference afford to keep you around?

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  • bobgross
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    Originally posted by TEEN IDOL View Post
    Haha. Couldn't log into my account for a while back there. Just got it figured out last week.
    This place hasn't changed much though. Still drama to be had.
    TRAVIS STEENSLID?
    AS IN "There's also no trick here" TRAVIS STEENSLID?

    YOU ARE THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME

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  • spaniard
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    Originally posted by waitmichaelwait View Post


    HOF[/thread]

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    in before HoF

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    HOF[/thread]

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  • marshun
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    Originally posted by jakeordie View Post
    Amateurs.....THIS is how it's done;

    http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=45427
    wow. thanks so much for this endless supply of lolz

    +rep

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    Originally posted by TEEN IDOL View Post
    I have read a lot of this. Skimmed a lot too.
    Anyhow, I used to work for Trendkiller (Mindgame/Xsjado). They had to let me go because arguably, one of the best, most supported wheel brands in the industry couldn't afford to have a THIRD employee (this was around the time or Accidental Machines). That's right kids. Mindgame was run by Shane. Brian placed the orders with our vendors. I packed the boxes, and received the new inventory. Until Shane couldn't afford to pay my $10 an hour salary.

    I then got a job working for Big Dan Importing. Some of you older cats know what that is. It was Powerslide's American distribution house. I unpacked the skates that were being sold to most of the skateshops in America, and I know what the numbers where of skates being sold (the bigger guys -Rollerwarehouse, AMall, Skatehouse- got their orders drop shipped, so I can't vouch 100% for their numbers, but they weren't that huge). We would get in less than 20 pairs of every skate in size 9 (the most popular size), and that would go to every shop in the US that wasn't an online retailer, doing large numbers. The industry is small. No one was getting rich off rollerblading then, and I can only assume that no one is getting rich now.

    I lived with dudes that were the top shelf of rollerblading pros during that time. I've seen friends come and go with professional skating, and the fact of the matter is, it's a fleeting thing. I sat as an outside observer, being jealous of my friends taking off to fly around to world to skate, while I had to stay behind. Sure, they weren't making huge sums of money, but they still had something that I didn't. I got to meet the dudes I looked up to. Skate with guys I had tried to emulate on stupid objects, and even beat DL in a game of pig once. Rollerblading has delivered so much for me, and I do see both sides of the argument presented here. Skaters should be making more money, and they should have their health looked after by their employers. But the truth of the matter is that we're not there yet. Rollerblading will remain underground until some big money comes in, and that money is not going to be skater owned. It's going to be from some cooperate company, looking to cash in, coming in and paying people real salaries. We as a whole want to promote us owning our own image, and at the same time, want to have what these exploited action sports have.
    It will be really hard to have it both ways.
    I agree with a lot of the ideas that Colin has, but I know that a lot of what he is asking is impossible right now. I worked in the industry I loved for a few years, and got to see how things work on the inside. I know that the money Colin claims is there isn't there. It's coming. But right now, it's just not there. If you want to be a pro rollerblader, you have to give up the dream that you are going to drink bubbly, and throw hundys at the strip club. You are going to be a starving artist.
    At the end of the day, what Colin is striving for is good, however, one man can't do it. Calling people out who are doing what you were doing two months ago isn't going to gain any members to your team. Also, coming to a public forum, and airing out your issues while arguing with the consumers who make up the base of rollerbladers isn't helping either. The Conference has done a lot of good in the rollerblading industry. I know what their policy was when I worked at Big Dan. You have a contest? Shoot me an e-mail. BOOM. Product sent. You have a problem with your skates. Shoot me an e-mail. BOOM. Replacement parts sent. They aren't the big evil you are making them out to be, and I know a lot of people that ate off Powerslide money. Maybe you had a bad experience with them, but that doesn't mean that they are an evil that should be wiped out. You can do more working with the company than against it. My two cents.

    I'm sure a lot of this is just rabble, but whatever. I'm just wasting time at my new job.
    quoted simply for the pure truth and common sense travis just laid down

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    manor.


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