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    #51
    Originally posted by ianball View Post
    exactly!!! that's why he's doing this.

    at least he was willing to quit his sponsors and then start talking, instead of hating it and just taking the money while hating it. i'm on unemployment and i almost make 1300/month.
    how in the fuck? i only got 140 a week on unemployment, thats some bullshit.

    n i know whats dre's talking about haha, hell ck's been my customer before

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      #52
      gage, you worked at R DUB?
      HËLLAHËLLA

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        #53
        Do skateboarding company offer health insurance to their skaters?
        I think the first Maloof Money Cup was one of the first event in skateboarding where there was insurance, and these Maloof guys own the Sacramento Kings.
        If thats the kind of money you need to get insurance for extreme sports well I guess we all know that rollerblading will remain insurance-less for a while.

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          #54
          i have a sick ass health plan right now that i pay just over $200/mo for. they never asked me what my profession was, and if i were a pro rollerblader i would say "sales". how hard is it for a corporation to kick someone down an extra $200/mo?
          like i said, i'm on unemployment and can afford this stuff, i would think a big ass company like Powerslide could.


          "Do you feel that Randy? The way the shit clings to the air? Shit blizzard."

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            #55
            DOGG MY HEALTH GAME IS SO STIFF
            HËLLAHËLLA

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              #56
              And some of you guys might wonder why I am calling Fish out in public. Like what kind of friend am I? etc...

              Well Fish is actually one of the guys who I admire the most. At first I was pretty pissed off and said a lot of crazy things on my facebook and through emails but a surprising number of people from be-mag hit me up and told me that I would have more success if I let go of the negative emotion and thats what I am now trying to do. I'm not going to lie. This has been a very difficult transition for me in my life and it definitely made me lose my cool, but if I can just make things right I know you can all see what needs to happen.

              So the reason I have called out Fish isn't because I hate him or because I am jealous of his deal in skating. And any of you who have ever met Fish, know this about him. Billy is a born leader. His personality is so overwhelmingly witty and forthcoming that you can't help but the love the guy right off the bat. He boosts your confidence when you don't have any and he helps you out with whatever he can offer when your down and low. And it is not easy for me to do this to him but if anyone could truly get some people on board with this movement it is him. And because of that I had to call him out. He has the strength and character to make monumental change. And I hope he uses his power to unveil a new future for skating alongside the other natural born leaders skating has given to us.
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                #57
                Originally posted by aTOM View Post
                and these Maloof guys own the Sacramento Kings.
                \
                Invalid Basketball team, Resubmit the Lakers
                HËLLAHËLLA

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Dre View Post
                  DOGG MY HEALTH GAME IS SO STIFF
                  LOL
                  just sayin' that i understand where he's coming from. i was pissed that my old job didn't provide insurance, but it was a tiny business, not Powerslide. i mean, a pair of Powerslide Icons is $900+. sell two pairs of those a month and you got health insurance for your pro team.


                  "Do you feel that Randy? The way the shit clings to the air? Shit blizzard."

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                    #59
                    Have you guys agreed on a name yet?

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                      #60
                      The numbers Colin are throwing about aren't real. Different pro skaters get paid different amounts.

                      Why should the licensing part of powerslide, or powerslide speed pay for powerslide aggressive? thats terrible busines. Aggressive has its own sales, and the money we spend on our team and on tours is above the normal, far above the normal budget % we should be spending. I bet we spend more money on aggressive rolling, skaters, events, comps, mags, product development than any other company?

                      I think you will find most of our team is very content with USD and Xsjado.

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                        #61
                        Originally posted by spaniard View Post
                        The numbers Colin are throwing about aren't real. Different pro skaters get paid different amounts.

                        Why should the licensing part of powerslide, or powerslide speed pay for powerslide aggressive? thats terrible busines. Aggressive has its own sales, and the money we spend on our team and on tours is above the normal, far above the normal budget % we should be spending. I bet we spend more money on aggressive rolling, skaters, events, comps, mags, product development than any other company?

                        I think you will find most of our team is very content with USD and Xsjado.

                        Well played Sir, well played

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                          #62
                          Originally posted by spaniard View Post
                          I bet we spend more money on aggressive rolling, skaters, events, comps, mags, product development than any other company.
                          Of course.....why else would another company want you taken down?

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                            #63
                            colin you should skate for CapriSun Grape flavor, and host CapriSun Classic Comps, featuring blading of course...., but lets face it making a career out of rollerblading is not because of the money, its about making what you can out of life, contributing is the key.... make the best of things... we cant pull a coup de tat on powerslide and expect them to bend to our will...this is not the way

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                              #64
                              Originally posted by greenpiefilling View Post
                              we cant pull a coup de tat on powerslide
                              "We" is trying.....and failing.

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                                #65
                                I absolutely get what you are doing here Colin. I might not agree with the way you go about executing the idea but your right. The only way things could change would be a mass movement away from non-skater owned companies and reinvesting into skater owned brands. I can see how that would be beneficial to the industry. I don't want to see Rollerblading getting raped an pillaged by anyone who will inevitably take money out of the industry if it was to boom again.
                                It's no surprise to anyone how little professional rollerbladers make and I hope one day they will make a more, looking at other professional athletes I'd say they deserve it. Keep in mind the industry is still small and shuffling around rollerbladers to skater owned brands will not put them on much bigger pay checks because the amount of money in the industry is limited by the number of people who partake in rollerblading, which at this present time doesn't seem to be growing at any sort of rapid rate. None the less it would be a better distribution of funds for the greater good of rollerblading.

                                I have a few questions if the hypothetical situation, that the world’s top professional's boycott the industry’s heavy weights, comes to light....
                                Do you honestly believe that skater owned brands are in a position to cope with an obviously huge influx of customers? I'm not doubting the professionalism of brand like Valo and Nihm and even CO from what I have seen, but I would worry that these companies could collapse under the costs involved in say maybe doubling in production and poor business decisions which would only be amplified by having more money to invest. Let’s face it there aren't that many business savvy rollerbladers, probably due to the fact that few skater make any real money out of skating to begin with.
                                I have a brain large enough to see that you’re not actually targeting Conference but more using them as the best example. So how do you feel about Remz as they seem to slot in to both skater owned/non-skater owned?

                                Now you are no longer a professional rollerblader it's great you can speak your mind. I applaud you for not selling your soul for a lousy $1300. I do however feel that what you are trying to achieve could be done more effectively from inside the industry and that your obvious passion (especially on here) could be misunderstood. Your thoughts/direction come across much more clearly in you interviews....maybe just a suggestion that would be a better way for you to communicate your point?

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                                  #66
                                  If you show no promise in anything related to rollerblading, be it actually skating, or just shooting photos, video, graphic design, then you have no place posting about things like this.

                                  Some people would actually like to be able to support themselves doing something blading related, doing something they love. I know I personally don't give a fuck about anything else enough to want to put any effort into it. And if rollerblading doesn't come back up like it's due to, I'm fully certain I'll just buy a tent and pull a vagabond and keep doing what I love to do.

                                  Its not automatically greedy or self-centered to want to be able to make a living from the rollerblading industry. I've had some skateboard friends throw me some outrageous numbers for getting their photos printed in a magazine, or being commissioned to film a video. Rollerblading deserves that security and opportunity more than anything else like it.

                                  If you blade strictly because it's fun, if you have no aspirations within it, if you buy whatever products you simply happen to like based on looks or "performance" (quotations because plenty of people did amazing things on shima 2's, and i see way too many beginner and average level skaters on carbons), and/or if it doesn't effect all of your emotions (not just enjoying yourself), then you are hurting blading more in the long run than doing it any kind of good right now.
                                  And read that a couple times before you retort, so that you understand it fully. If you're just here to have a good time doing farfegnugens on TRS Solo's (or FILA's, humphrey my friend) because they have clear shells now and you think that's pretty neat, you're only wasting potential profits that could be put back into blading properly via the veneration and treatment, and filtering, of the professionals in our industry. And who knows better how to do that than people who have actually been involved in rollerblading for most of their lifetime, like Shima, or Julio?

                                  Rage on Colin. I do think you should have consulted Billy privately and made a combined statement about these issues, but I don't know the whole story. I'd take it easy on facebook though man lol


                                  *Edit: I'd also like to note that Tom Hyser is the shit, and the VG16 Skatepile section had me buying from them for years. I'm not sure of his level of involvement in TRS or it's money distribution, so take that comment in stride.
                                  Last edited by Tra; 21.09.2010, 10:28. Reason: Tom's tight.

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                                    #67
                                    hot damn....wild...


                                    -Eric Miller-Soul-MN-Shot By-John Haynes

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                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by Daniel Yeoman View Post
                                      I have a brain large enough to see that you’re not actually targeting Conference
                                      Thread has been officially won.

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                                        #69
                                        Some suggestions CK.

                                        In future dont be asking for money in the same post your asking for the industry to change.
                                        Everyone on here thinks or thought your only bitter and just want more money.


                                        Dont underestimate peoples attachment to USD. Think back when Roces, salamon and K2 left.....who was left?
                                        Razors...USD....Remz....who else?

                                        Name calling on Facebook makes you look less like a man with a plan and more like a child.........


                                        Anyway good luck
                                        Last edited by *ROYALwithCHEESE*; 21.09.2010, 11:04.

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                                          #70
                                          I have a big problem with someone thinking that TheConference or ect.. can afford health Insurance. You have to take in the fact that rollerblading is not safe in the first place, daily injuries occur all the time. I'm not sure if the Health Insurance companies are just going to let that fact slide when billing the premiums. Also if anyone wants to take that $1300 and buy there own insurance, thats possible too, just saying.
                                          Rollerblading is pretty comparable to being a starving artist, you have to take it for what it is, ie, something you love and enjoy doing.
                                          One last thing CK, if Fish really put your a Goofball, and you respond by writting a giant survey then by definition that makes you a BIG GOOF!! The End.

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                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by *ROYALwithCHEESE* View Post
                                            Never underestimate the power of denial.
                                            dede de dede de deee

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                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by Tra View Post
                                              dede de dede de deee
                                              dede de dede de deee

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                                                #73
                                                he has some good points

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                                                    #75
                                                    how many hate comments did u write since u left the conference? it looks like you are spending a lot of time "hating" on people who skate carbons or usd's and thats just sad. We get it - you hate the conference, just make your own skate company and stop complaining - i will buy usd's even if they don't have any pro/flow skaters bcs the skates are good

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                                                      #76
                                                      You know, before the recession fully hit, I was making 80 dollars an hour, 60 hours a week. I was able to stack a lot of cash, and invest in some start up companies. My friends and I gave a lot of thought to making a hardware company (with souls to replace RBs, Valo, and Razors, and frames) We had most of the logistics thought out... the only question was how much was I willing to invest to have a go at it. Then, I was presented with an opportunity to buy a failing business, all their assets, and their clients. It was a no-brainer for me. I honestly do not care enough about rollerblading to sacrifice making money for my family. So I dumped my money into the other company, and it has helped me make it through the last few years, and still pay my almost 5k a month in bills.

                                                      CK, I respect your decision. People say that you can do this because you live with your parents... like that is a negative thing. If you were making the call to not take 1300 a month in a recession, and your kids were not being properly taken care of, etc... then I'd have issue with it. That being said, what position are the people paying you in? They don't run a charity, you don't know their back debt, their long term debt, their operating costs... this shit is a business... and in business, people rarely get payed what they are worth.

                                                      People talk shit all the time about skater owned... esp. when skater owned means old pros buying old molds... and going months between lines, or using the same urethane for all the wheels. Shit is rough out there, and just like I don't free up my resources to offer a wider line, neither do they. We do what we can, and we hope for better days.

                                                      Your only real play here is to do something for the industry yourself... as in... create something. And when you do, I will buy it... on principle... just do me a favor and make sure it doesn't suck...

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                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by Dre View Post
                                                        I love how i made more money from rollerblading than most pro rollerbladers
                                                        +1

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                                                          #78
                                                          CK if you want to make money don t rollerblade. Make a one man show and you could be rich!!!
                                                          Rollerblading is a poor industry.How many pairs of skates do you have for free from razors then usd?How many wear and framz and wheels and all? how many trip and country you discover with rollerblading??
                                                          Most of us here will be so happy to receive a free pair of skate or to make a trip fully paid by the rollerblading brand and you you complain now about conference and powerslide??? when you go on the conference you already know it wasn't a skater owned company ?? you can t have a 100% skater owned company because it s impossible to mix buisness and passion for our sports.
                                                          1300usdollars per month it s not enough for you?? I could understand this because the health insurance are pretty expensive in US but CK open your eyes!! on this planet they re is a bunch of people who just don t have water and food to live so please stop complaining with you re poor life.

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                                                            #79
                                                            i like your delivery much better this time, but im afraid it may already be too late... these are the people you want to rally with you... but you have already pissed them all off...

                                                            your right... the only way it's gunna work now is if Billy posts...
                                                            But lets face it... do you really think he is going to?...

                                                            i hope he does. not for your sake or your credibility but because they are good questions....
                                                            some of them are "leading the witness" but never the less i'd love to see the answers...

                                                            let's hope he does it...


                                                            no body hold your breath though... you'll turn blue

                                                            words on the net are nothing more than words...
                                                            people respond much better if there is proof they can see to back up the words...

                                                            also try not using negative sentences like this:
                                                            "Don't buy conference products."
                                                            don't is very negative and will instantly show some form of resistance..

                                                            instead try:
                                                            "Buy skater owned products please."
                                                            The sentences mean the same thing but the second isn't negative, it is polite and shows the reader the correct thing to do rather than just pointing to the thing the can't or shouldn't do..


                                                            Having said that!!!
                                                            Actions speak louder than words ever can...
                                                            Start a magazine, start a boot company, start something..
                                                            You have told us all the wrong way to do everything, rather than showing us the right way..

                                                            How can you really criticize something you haven't tried to do yourself?

                                                            Make a good quality product (anything but clothing) and i will buy it. Simple...

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                                                              #80
                                                              ,,,,
                                                              FUCK USD *hic*

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                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by CK View Post
                                                                Where does the loyalty you have for the conference stem from? (Use a metaphor to describe this question if applicable.)
                                                                Hahaha this one was definitely my favorite. I'm hoping for a response, but I kind of doubt it. Either way, Colin has made the board very entertaining lately. How the mighty have fallen.

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                                                                  #82
                                                                  completely valid questions. colin knows what he's speaking about, it just needs to be done in the right way.
                                                                  @kylesola
                                                                  www.kylesola.com

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                                                                    #83
                                                                    these athletes should be able to live incredibly comfortably doing something they put their lives into. health insurance and benefits. first and foremost.
                                                                    i wish that someone in andy wegner's consortium would step up and expose that side.
                                                                    knowledge is power.
                                                                    @kylesola
                                                                    www.kylesola.com

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                                                                      #84
                                                                      The whole skater owned concept is overstressed. We're all fucking hypocrites. Unless every time you go skate, everything on your body is made from a skater, what does it matter if your skates are? What's the difference between dishing out $300 for skates/frames/wheels that are skater owned, when you're rocking a Target v-neck and some name brand jeans, boxers, and socks? Rollerblade tees are $20-$30, the jeans are $50-$70. That's ALSO money that could be put into skater owned companies. You think you're any better for rocking Nihms, Create Originals, and Street Artist wheels, when your wardrobe comes from a fuckin department store? I have tried to skate certain brands of skates based on who the owner was, or how dope I thought the company was, but then I got tired of riding skates I don't really like, for the wrong reasons. Skate whatever the fuck you like, whether it's skater owned or not. The bottom line is, your money is going back into the industry. No company is in rollerblading for the money. Even the big, non skater owned companies can go out and make more money elsewhere. Unless every time you go out to skate, you're rocking a skater owned tee, jeans, boxers, socks, skates, frames, wheels, bearings, and shoes, get off your high horse about this skater owned shit.
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                                                                        #85
                                                                        Sean is still sponsored right?

                                                                        Maybe Billy is making a video response like when you guys made that long video answering all our questions.

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                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by ianball View Post
                                                                          i'm on unemployment and i almost make 1300/month.
                                                                          get a job, a-hole

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                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by *ROYALwithCHEESE* View Post
                                                                            ,,,,
                                                                            FUCK USD *hic*

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                                                                              #88


                                                                              You dudes bitching about pros not having health insurance, do you not realize anyone can easily obtain a relatively cheap health plan on their own? It would be cheaper for me to get one on my own then for my company to pay for it right now with the way my groups plan is structured. Stop being so fucking ignorant, do some research on your own and stop siding with cry baby Colin. There is no excusing this behavior, he's acting like a little kid.
                                                                              Last edited by r.s.; 21.09.2010, 15:02.

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                                                                                #89
                                                                                This is amazing

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                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by areessea View Post
                                                                                  completely valid questions. colin knows what he's speaking about, it just needs to be done in the right way.

                                                                                  Hey Kyle, I sent you an email through your website. When you have a moment, please take a look and respond. Thanks!

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                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by CK View Post
                                                                                    what is that supposed to mean? Obviously your implying something but on what grounds would you allow support for that statement to even be valid? And haven't we hung out in Philly before? You were that real nice, shy kid who takes pictures right? Yea I know you. Whats the problem all of a sudden?
                                                                                    it means if you wanted to make money you should of skateboarded or got a real job. god dammit colin what the fuck happened to you your the biggest pussy i can remember, and thats the problem all of a sudden. your a big whining attention whore that finally realized your life is about to suck from here on out. people rollerblade because they love to do it, like you did before you decided you deserve to make a living off of it. there has never been enough money in the industry so i dont know what your expecting

                                                                                    if you wanna call one of your so called friends out dont do it on a messageboard when you have his number you fucking idiot

                                                                                    i cant believe i respected you

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                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      posting in epic thread

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                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          TIM HORTONS INLINE MOVIE!!!! @TIMHORTONS @TIMHORTONS @TIMHORTONS

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                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            a lot of bullshit here in this thread. i do expect billy o'neill to come over and answer colin's questions, but with him being on usd and usd buying create originals and putting them on usd skates, I'm not sure if that is possible.

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                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Originally posted by Village Idiot View Post
                                                                                              a lot of bullshit here in this thread. i do expect billy o'neill to come over and answer colin's questions, but with him being on usd and usd buying create originals and putting them on usd skates, I'm not sure if that is possible.
                                                                                              can't knock the hustle. i think CK is jealous that he has nothing to offer rollerblading.

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                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                that's not true. he is an impressive skater, and a man with opinions.

                                                                                                also, say what you want, but truth 2 had most replay value in my dvd player in the past few months, along with sleaze and on top.

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                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    that's hot.

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                                                                                                      I'd rather get an answer to the question of why you said you wished Billy got paralyzed. He doesn't have to answer shit from you until you take care of that one.

                                                                                                      Saying skating "should" have this and that doesn't prove much since it is applicable to anything.

                                                                                                      Different industries have different income potentials. I'm sure there's a best janitor in the world too...

                                                                                                      (He probably has insurance though hahaha)

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