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    #51
    Honestly the more time that goes on the less I feel like I know about the whole Roces / Valo situation.

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      #52
      I think it was Jumpstreet, but Julio did mention that some of the riders were still owed money from Roces. Maybe that's what AJ is eluding to?

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        #53
        Originally posted by denialchild45 View Post
        I think it was Jumpstreet, but Julio did mention that some of the riders were still owed money from Roces. Maybe that's what AJ is eluding to?
        Interesting. Makes me wonder if suddenly ending Valo has anything to do with that, if it is the case.

        HËLLAHËLLA

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          #54
          Originally posted by Dre View Post
          Julio's latest instagram story.
          Originally posted by denialchild45 View Post
          Maybe that's what AJ is eluding to?
          Guys, just because OP used the word "Cult" in the title doesn't mean we all suffer from a case of blind faith.
          Sources/links/screenshots would be appreciated, thanks.

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            #55
            https://imageshack.com/a/img923/3305/HkOZlF.png

            Originally posted by the winner
            that was so fucking GAY, fucking quit it. You're the gayest skaters ever

            whack skating
            whack filming
            whack song
            that redbull spill is disgusting

            did I say shit tricks?

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              #56
              Thanks.
              I saw something similar on FB:
              https://www.facebook.com/vibraluxden...07532999437805
              That whole thing (AJ stockpiling Valos just before Jon decided to no longer own Valo) seems kinda strange.

              What about the JJ IG story?
              I couldn't find that anywhere.
              Do i need an account to see IG stories?

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                #57
                The Julio story was the same thing as posted above, he just reposted it, only his didn't have the arrows pointing to his name and roces or whatever.

                Originally posted by the winner
                that was so fucking GAY, fucking quit it. You're the gayest skaters ever

                whack skating
                whack filming
                whack song
                that redbull spill is disgusting

                did I say shit tricks?

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                  #58
                  Interesting. So Roces does indeed owe JJ/Team money. I wonder why they won't simply pay?
                  HËLLAHËLLA

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Dre View Post
                    Interesting. So Roces does indeed owe JJ/Team money. I wonder why they won't simply pay?
                    Could be one of those situations where "Now that Contract/Agreement is "Terminated," We (Roces) are no longer obligated to pay."

                    I've seen it in the sales world. You sell, hit goal for commission, quit/get fired, company owes you nothing.

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                      #60
                      "Contract/Agreement"

                      "Obligated to pay"

                      I might have to move this to the Lulz thread...

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                        #61
                        Vibralux are selling the VX’s on their site for $215 to try and help pay JJ and AJ

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                          #62
                          Originally posted by Dre View Post
                          Interesting. So Roces does indeed owe JJ/Team money. I wonder why they won't simply pay?
                          Because it seems like there's loads of skinned valos sitting around that Roces want to be paid for?!

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                            #63
                            Just seen this on the VX facebook page via comments…

                            Roces had debt to Valo from unpaid royalties and salaries. Our production run of skates created a way for them to pay off what was due.
                            I'm not sure if the wording is correct, as this is still confusing.

                            But I'm guessing that yeah Valo owed Roces some money.
                            Blading since 1994.

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                              #64
                              Sounds like AJ went Shima on Roces and stole all the remaining Valos to pay JJ's debts.

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                                #65
                                Yeah, none of this reeks of good practices by anyone. Let's get some contracts in here boys, lets all be adults about this...



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                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by Momagic View Post
                                  Just seen this on the VX facebook page via comments…



                                  I'm not sure if the wording is correct, as this is still confusing.

                                  But I'm guessing that yeah Valo owed Roces some money.
                                  Can't get my head round it either?!

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                                    #67
                                    handmade in Italy
                                    https://vimeo.com/126545438
                                    masterbla.de

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                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by Momagic View Post
                                      Just seen this on the VX facebook page via comments…



                                      I'm not sure if the wording is correct, as this is still confusing.

                                      But I'm guessing that yeah Valo owed Roces some money.
                                      Sounds like the exact opposite from the quote. Who owes who?
                                      Yours truly,

                                      Metric F. Tonne

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                                        #69
                                        I don't know if my reading comprehension is total shit or if that is still a really confusing statement. The only thing I could get out of it would be:
                                        "Roces owed Valo riders money so they let us make a VX skate and the profit would go directly to the riders and not Roces".
                                        But even if that situation, Roces didn't fuck anyone over. If anything in that situation, Julio fucked them over. Again though, this could just be me not understanding what I'm reading. But at this point I don't know why it can't just be clearly stated. They should just throw up a contract online if they have one. Otherwise they kind of just fucked themselves.

                                        Originally posted by the winner
                                        that was so fucking GAY, fucking quit it. You're the gayest skaters ever

                                        whack skating
                                        whack filming
                                        whack song
                                        that redbull spill is disgusting

                                        did I say shit tricks?

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                                          #70
                                          I feel like the VX skate then backfired. Instead of having people evangelize the remaining skate from Valo/VX, the general skate population can only (seemingly) pick THEM or Roces, but not both. Almost leaving the remaining Valo to lean to the Roces side (by default).

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                                            #71
                                            Ooooo this is getting juicy

                                            https://www.instagram.com/instalesszeke/

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                                              #72
                                              LOL, you’re welcome...

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                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by azrider View Post
                                                Maybe we'll get an actual answer on podcast interview number 10.
                                                LOL. Blading podcasts are dumb, IMO. Can't those dudes afford Dragon Speak?

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                                                  #74
                                                  Nevermind how many VX skates are left, look how many Valos Roces have!!

                                                  https://shop.roces.com/gb/catalogsea...ex/?p=1&q=valo

                                                  Is Valo no longer a dirty word with so many skates to sell?!

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                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by jonnydrama View Post
                                                    Nevermind how many VX skates are left, look how many Valos Roces have!!

                                                    https://shop.roces.com/gb/catalogsea...ex/?p=1&q=valo

                                                    Is Valo no longer a dirty word with so many skates to sell?!
                                                    They were bound to sell off all their old stock at some point. If I was in the market for some new Valo's I'd still get the VX's as they're the nicest looking.

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                                                      #76
                                                      Good way for people to get into skating, the valos on the outlet are very cheap.

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                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by jonnydrama View Post
                                                        Nevermind how many VX skates are left, look how many Valos Roces have!!

                                                        https://shop.roces.com/gb/catalogsea...ex/?p=1&q=valo

                                                        Is Valo no longer a dirty word with so many skates to sell?!
                                                        Fucken wow. I’m sure someone on this board will have a explanation/excuse about why valos are sitting. Ex valo team you want your money that bad sell some skates.

                                                        Whoever still supports this man truly has a love for LOLerblading.

                                                        edit: and they still have those little bitch size skates most of you wear.

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                                                          #78
                                                          I mean who knows how many they actually have of each size shown but I can't ever remember the outlet being so well stocked.

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                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by jonnydrama View Post
                                                            I mean who knows how many they actually have of each size shown but I can't ever remember the outlet being so well stocked.
                                                            Funnily enough I've had that outlet bit of the Roces site bookmarked for a few years, and occasionally checked it, but it's normally only troll sizes that are left. They've always had a few valos on there. But yeah, this is a dump of stock. Wonder how many they'll sell now that so many ex-valo heads have had their "whats' cool" part of their brain reprogrammed. I've been seeing SO many Valo's for sale on blade trade(s).
                                                            Blading since 1994.

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                                                              #80
                                                              And then there are those of us who never thought Valo was cool...

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                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by WheelAddict View Post

                                                                Fucken wow. I’m sure someone on this board will have a explanation/excuse about why valos are sitting..
                                                                Obviously when your market consists of predominantly 20-40 year old males, stocking or even manufacturing too many skates outside certain size ranges is a stupid business move.
                                                                Last edited by joshdamnit; 29.09.2018, 01:52.

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                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by azrider View Post
                                                                  I guess the other part I don't understand is where people in the industry like AJ are acting like Roces screwed them over(with the VX collab skate) when Julio said himself that he was the one that ended their contract?
                                                                  Roces didn't pay out royalties to Valo / the team for well over a year despite selling out of skates. I don't agree with that. I also think it was foolish for Jon not to renew his contract. I also dislike that after having secured a bid for all 500 of the VXVII Roces went into production on the SK2, another skin skate, to appease shops and fully saturate the market leaving us to carry the weight and investment of 500 pairs of skates. Hopefully that helps you to understand my frustration with Roces. At the end of the day, all parties are self-interested and made business decisions to benefit themselves moving forward. Some lessons are hard to learn and some cost a lot of money.
                                                                  Get a gun, get it done.

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                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by Lee Harvey Oswald View Post

                                                                    Roces didn't pay out royalties to Valo / the team for well over a year despite selling out of skates. I don't agree with that. I also think it was foolish for Jon not to renew his contract. I also dislike that after having secured a bid for all 500 of the VXVII Roces went into production on the SK2, another skin skate, to appease shops and fully saturate the market leaving us to carry the weight and investment of 500 pairs of skates. Hopefully that helps you to understand my frustration with Roces. At the end of the day, all parties are self-interested and made business decisions to benefit themselves moving forward. Some lessons are hard to learn and some cost a lot of money.
                                                                    What he said, #nobodycares
                                                                    Get a gun, get it done.

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                                                                      #84
                                                                      Originally posted by Lee Harvey Oswald View Post

                                                                      Roces didn't pay out royalties to Valo / the team for well over a year despite selling out of skates.
                                                                      Were they supposed to? Was that included in the contract?

                                                                      https://www.instagram.com/instalesszeke/

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                                                                        #85
                                                                        If that's true about the royalties why hasn't it been made public?

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                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by ift View Post
                                                                          And then there are those of us who never thought Valo was cool...
                                                                          What skates are cool these days?

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                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by Lee Harvey Oswald View Post
                                                                            I also dislike that after having secured a bid for all 500 of the VXVII Roces went into production on the SK2, another skin skate, to appease shops and fully saturate the market leaving us to carry the weight and investment of 500 pairs of skates.
                                                                            So, instead they should have given you the exclusive rights to sell VXVII and the shops nothing?

                                                                            The SK2 sold fine, why didn't yours?

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                                                                              #88
                                                                              Originally posted by Dubjeeberplus View Post

                                                                              So, instead they should have given you the exclusive rights to sell VXVII and the shops nothing?

                                                                              The SK2 sold fine, why didn't yours?
                                                                              Are you sure they sold fine? I've seen plenty of the black SK2's available in most sizes.

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                                                                                #89
                                                                                Originally posted by Maus View Post

                                                                                Are you sure they sold fine? I've seen plenty of the black SK2's available in most sizes.
                                                                                Yeah that was the worst skin they've done. Looked like the ill fitting SSM ones.

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                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by DesignatedRolla View Post

                                                                                  Yeah that was the worst skin they've done. Looked like the ill fitting SSM ones.
                                                                                  I didn't mind them. They reminded more of an Adapt with the 'gold' trim. That said, I might buy a pair of valo's as I've never skated them before.

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                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by Maus View Post

                                                                                    I didn't mind them. They reminded more of an Adapt with the 'gold' trim. That said, I might buy a pair of valo's as I've never skated them before.
                                                                                    They're definitely worth a go if you've never skated them before, especially if you can get a cheap pair off that outlet. I've been skating V13's for a while but might go back to the skin/bigger soul version.

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                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      So going by Gav Drumms instagram he definitely won't be joining Roces anytime soon...

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                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Originally posted by jonnydrama View Post
                                                                                        So going by Gav Drumms instagram he definitely won't be joining Roces anytime soon...
                                                                                        Looks like he took it down but the wonderful guys at Wheel Scene screen shotted it and posted it haha. Kind of unprofessional of him to post it but I guess that's up to him and he did take it down. Roces reply on Wheel Scene's post is hilarious. If I was him I'd have taken the deal, would've had a pro skate for Christmas.

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                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          Originally posted by DesignatedRolla View Post

                                                                                          Looks like he took it down but the wonderful guys at Wheel Scene screen shotted it and posted it haha. Kind of unprofessional of him to post it but I guess that's up to him and he did take it down. Roces reply on Wheel Scene's post is hilarious. If I was him I'd have taken the deal, would've had a pro skate for Christmas.
                                                                                          Yeah Roces' reply made me laugh.

                                                                                          I have mixed feelings about this. What i hate the most is all the 'fuck roces' posts from all these people that have photos of them skating Valos on their timeline for years. I mean come on… talk about herd mentality.

                                                                                          But its hard to get the full picture when you only see one side. But it does say 'Final Offer' so im guessing there was some back and forth. But an extra 1.5 Euro on your own pro model skate does seem a little low. So it's good to see this out in the open. Albeit in a shitty way. But then for all we know those percentages could go up next year… who knows?

                                                                                          Hopefully he'll get some free Them skates, as I doubt he'll get any kind of salary after that.
                                                                                          Last edited by Momagic; 26.10.2018, 13:25.
                                                                                          Blading since 1994.

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                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            Honestly though, a lot of the workers rights movement was not hiding what you've been offered and comparing salaries to those in your same situation. While this may not seem like the most professional thing to do, wage transparency is a big cornerstone in changing the way people are compensated.

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                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Hopefully Joe and Nils are getting the exact same deal, otherwise they may have something to say about it! I'm sure they are though. Wonder who else is on the Roces radar.

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                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                Originally posted by DesignatedRolla View Post
                                                                                                Hopefully Joe and Nils are getting the exact same deal, otherwise they may have something to say about it! I'm sure they are though. Wonder who else is on the Roces radar.
                                                                                                I'd love it if they got sizemore… that would super confuse the ex-valo fan bois.
                                                                                                Blading since 1994.

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                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  I'm glad they're still releasing Valo 6 and all that footage won't be going to waste. I can only assume there'll be a THEM section at the end almost like saying "this is what we're all skating now, join us!"

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                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Originally posted by DesignatedRolla View Post
                                                                                                    Hopefully Joe and Nils are getting the exact same deal, otherwise they may have something to say about it! I'm sure they are though. Wonder who else is on the Roces radar.
                                                                                                    I would imagine Joe, as the face of the rebrand, would garner quite a bit more. I also don't see him settling for anything that he isn't completely happy with.

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                                                                                                      Originally posted by ASU S4 View Post
                                                                                                      Honestly though, a lot of the workers rights movement was not hiding what you've been offered and comparing salaries to those in your same situation. While this may not seem like the most professional thing to do, wage transparency is a big cornerstone in changing the way people are compensated.
                                                                                                      Yeah, I can't wait for him to put up his THEM contract. Because I'm sure he did this for righteous reasons.

                                                                                                      Originally posted by the winner
                                                                                                      that was so fucking GAY, fucking quit it. You're the gayest skaters ever

                                                                                                      whack skating
                                                                                                      whack filming
                                                                                                      whack song
                                                                                                      that redbull spill is disgusting

                                                                                                      did I say shit tricks?

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