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    thinking of going full frame(nikon)

    Ive been doing some reading about the benefits of full frame over a crop sensor, and i pretty much get the whole bigger field of view, sharper, less noise even at high ISO and not just shoving more pixels into the same size sensor(actually bigger, not same size higher pixel count).

    will my lenses become useless? I have a 10.5, im pretty sure that wont work with anything full frame unless i set it to shoot crop, which defeats the point of a full frame camera.

    will my 50mm prime work? its the cheap 100$ nikon one.

    I've looked at FX lenses, shits expensive man, what are full frame people on here using? cheapest option aside from a cheap fixed lens looked like almost 500 for a 24-80mm or something of that nature.

    Any tips or thoughts you could give would be much appreciated. I really have considered this because of the rumors of the nikon d600, which is suppose to an entry level full frame camera. Ive been on a d50 for close to 7 years, so ill be pretty happy with anything. but the d800 is too much, and considering they r about to release a newer model of the d300/d7000, i can wait.

    also mainly for landscape stuff and maybe some pictures of rob squire. i do portraits, but not as much as the first 2.

    <3 greg <3

    #2
    full frames is always the way to go imo.
    and yea wait for the new bodies coming out, canon and nikon are both suppose to come out w/ entry level full fame cameras.

    but it boils down for you to think and see if you actually need a full frame camera, ie are you going to utilize the benefits of the full frame(this might change if they release the entry level full frame cameras)

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      #3
      I think your 50 will be fine on a full frame, but not sure about your fisheye. I made the full frame jump for video, but went with the 5dmkII and then picked up adapters for my lenses.

      If you can find a 28-70 for that cheap I'd jump on it. It's a great general purpose lens, and 28 is a pretty nice wide on a full frame. I'd invest in glass now, and once nikon releases those other full frame options you could probably get a d700 used for relatively cheap.

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        #4
        do it FAGGOT

        you most definitely don't need a d800, get a used d700
        50mm 1.8D will be fine

        lens guide:
        http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d700/lenses.htm
        Awesome thread https://www.be-mag.com/msgboard/gossip/1774972-awesome-thread

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          #5
          Originally posted by s. View Post
          do it FAGGOT

          you most definitely don't need a d800, get a used d700
          50mm 1.8D will be fine

          lens guide:
          http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d700/lenses.htm
          im not thinking d800, 3k no thanks. the d700 option is good, but the rumors r pointing towards a new nikon "d600", that will be a brand new entry level full frame camera. And the rumors r price point under 2k, which is a good deal for full frame so i can invest in lenses, or at least a couple. i can get 400$ for my 10.5 then ill shell out of pocket for another. if these rumors end up false towards the end of the year ill probably start looking for a d700...

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            #6
            I can't wait for the D600 to come out so I can get a used D700 for cheap.

            Greg, you can get some AF and AF-D lenses for an FX body at reasonable prices if you look for them. If you don't need an AF-S lens, why bother dropping the cash on them?

            Out of the 5 lenses I have, only two are DX lenses, the rest are FX lenses on my D300 bodies. i get by just fine.

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              #7
              You can get a D700 right now between $1,500 and $2,00 on craigslist ever since the D800 came out.
              Your 50mm will be fine on the FX camera but it will be wider than your used to (equivalent to a 35mm DX). The 10.5mm is a DX lens so you will get some harsh vignetting.

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                #8
                full frame is better quality, but the REAL reason to do it is because your lens selection will double. wider f-stop, wider fov, better quality lenses as well.

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                  #9
                  its rad when a 35mm = a 35mm not a 56mm

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by jonnyxmas View Post
                    the REAL reason to do it is because your lens selection will double
                    Only if he keeps his crop sensor body as a 2nd camera

                    Originally posted by jonnyxmas View Post
                    wider f-stop
                    what the hell does this even mean? Full frame lenses on crop sensor bodies does nothing to the aperture, only the FOV Crop sensors ≠ teleconvertors

                    Originally posted by jonnyxmas View Post
                    wider fov
                    You can get fisheye and UAW lenses for crop sensor bodies

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                      #11
                      Look at it as a whole system, not just a body + whatever crappy lenses you can afford. Buying a nice-ass full-frame body and then putting crappy glass on it is dumb.

                      Decide roughly what focal lengths/speeds you want to have, then price it out on crop and full-frame, and go with what works as a complete system within your budget. Maybe you're better off staying with crop and buying more/nicer lenses and/or upgrading the body.

                      It's kinda like buying a Camaro vs. a Corvette- you should have the money for premium gas and Pirellis if you get the Corvette, or else you're not gonna be able to drive it much.

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                        #12
                        Your 10.5 fisheye would work on the d600 or d700 you get. It will just be cropped aka look exactly the way it does on your D50.
                        Personally I am getting ready to sell some gear myself 1 of my d700's my 17-35 2.8 and my 35 f2. Depending if you want video or not determines if you go with the D600 or the D700. If you have DX lenses they will work on your full frame camera body you just get the same look as you would have on your d50 because of the cropped sensor.

                        If you are interested my d700 with grip and 2 batteries I am probably going to sell for 1500 plus the buyer pays shipping and PP. But I am just putting that out there so you can see the average used d700 vs the new d600 which like you said is 2100

                        Good luck on your full frame upgrade
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by al dolega View Post
                          Look at it as a whole system, not just a body + whatever crappy lenses you can afford. Buying a nice-ass full-frame body and then putting crappy glass on it is dumb.

                          Decide roughly what focal lengths/speeds you want to have, then price it out on crop and full-frame, and go with what works as a complete system within your budget. Maybe you're better off staying with crop and buying more/nicer lenses and/or upgrading the body.

                          It's kinda like buying a Camaro vs. a Corvette- you should have the money for premium gas and Pirellis if you get the Corvette, or else you're not gonna be able to drive it much.
                          if im gonna shell out for one FX all purpose lens what would you recommend?
                          i already have a 50mm which i know will work fine on an FX camera with no crop(or so im told.... and have read).

                          thanks but no thanks brad, im willing to pay for something new, its a 10 year at least investment, i want the newest tech there is, not something almost 5 years old. imagine in 7 years when the 24MP of the d600 is considered low, i want to have the best thing i can afford now to be out aged slower.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by greg is cool View Post
                            if im gonna shell out for one FX all purpose lens what would you recommend?
                            i already have a 50mm which i know will work fine on an FX camera with no crop(or so im told.... and have read).

                            thanks but no thanks brad, im willing to pay for something new, its a 10 year at least investment, i want the newest tech there is, not something almost 5 years old. imagine in 7 years when the 24MP of the d600 is considered low, i want to have the best thing i can afford now to be out aged slower.
                            I'd get a 24-70mm f/2.8 AF-S, it's a beautiful lens. or, a Tokina 16-28mm f/2.8 if you want to go wider and save some dough. It's supposed to be a very sharp lens, more so than the Nikon 12-24mm f/2.8, which is almost twice as expensive. Hoya makes the glass in tokina lenses, if that tells you anything about the quality. I have the 11-16mm f2.8 and it's been put to very good use.


                            Brad, I'd take your D700 offer in a heartbeat if I had the cash to do so. If you hold onto it until mid November, I can easily afford it. Just waiting on a few albums I have to build, and 4-5 wedding edits, and a magazine I'm putting together in the beginning of October.

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                              http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09...ed-1080p-video

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                                #16
                                @ fast eddie

                                when i say your lens selection doubles, im referring to the fact that if you want a 24mm look on a cropped sensor, there are only a couple of lenses to choose from (with an f-stop no greater than 2.. with a full frame you have dozens to choose from. your fov "feild of view (i didnt want to spell it out)" is wider because now your 35mm lens is a 22mm (roughly). and yes, you do get a wider f-stop because the lens selection you now have access to has f-stops as low as f1, or lower. with a cropped sensor your lucky to find a lens (that is wide) with an f-stop of f2. you are right, you can get a fish-eye for a wider fov, but the f-stop is going to be no greater than f2.8.

                                the debate over cropped vs full only exists because wider faster lenses look better (and work to the fullest of their ability) on a full frame. however, if you like the look of your 50mm 1.4 on a cropped sensor and you dont need anything wider or a better camera, then you dont need to read any of this.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by jonnyxmas View Post
                                  and yes, you do get a wider f-stop because the lens selection you now have access to has f-stops as low as f1, or lower. with a cropped sensor your lucky to find a lens (that is wide) with an f-stop of f2. you are right, you can get a fish-eye for a wider fov, but the f-stop is going to be no greater than f2.8.
                                  See what happens when you over generalize? You confuse people. Had you said that FX bodies have more selection of lenses with both a wide FOV and wider aperture than f/2.8, than crop sensor bodies, you would have saved yourself the trouble of having to explain what you meant.

                                  The fastest and widest Nikkor lens is the 24mm f/1.4, and it'll fit a DX body, but it's only a 36mm FOV.

                                  Also, I'm not aware of ANY fisheye lenses that are wider than f/2.8.
                                  Last edited by fast eddie; 19.09.2012, 20:36.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by fast eddie View Post
                                    I'd get a 24-70mm f/2.8 AF-S, it's a beautiful lens. or, a Tokina 16-28mm f/2.8 if you want to go wider and save some dough. It's supposed to be a very sharp lens, more so than the Nikon 12-24mm f/2.8, which is almost twice as expensive. Hoya makes the glass in tokina lenses, if that tells you anything about the quality. I have the 11-16mm f2.8 and it's been put to very good use.


                                    Brad, I'd take your D700 offer in a heartbeat if I had the cash to do so. If you hold onto it until mid November, I can easily afford it. Just waiting on a few albums I have to build, and 4-5 wedding edits, and a magazine I'm putting together in the beginning of October.
                                    ouch, the 24-70mm f/2.8 AF-S is 1800$, or 1500 used. they sell it with a stock 24-85 f3.5-4.5 VR. which isnt bad.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by greg is cool View Post
                                      ouch, the 24-70mm f/2.8 AF-S is 1800$, or 1500 used. they sell it with a stock 24-85 f3.5-4.5 VR. which isnt bad.
                                      No, it's not a bad lens if you don't need a faster lens. I've taken some good photos with kit lenses with good light on a crop sensor body. Its not a bad walking around lens, esPecially if your body works great with high ISO like I'm sure the d600 does.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by fast eddie View Post
                                        No, it's not a bad lens if you don't need a faster lens. I've taken some good photos with kit lenses with good light on a crop sensor body. Its not a bad walking around lens, esPecially if your body works great with high ISO like I'm sure the d600 does.
                                        yea, from what ive seen it kick ass at high ISO. i ordered it today, will be here tuesday. i have the kit lens plus my 50mm to use. that should cover almost anything i need for now. maybe in a bit ill order a fixed 28mm or something, i like having something wide for landscapes.

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